Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue

[StMark]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I agree that culture changes but then it was changing back in Bible times also. I look at my boys every day. My boys look like, act like, and smell like boys. VERY MUCH SO. They are influenced by things. We talk about them and either the things are okay or not. We decide together and with prayer and the wisdom that God gave us. My boys do not wear their clothes saggin to the floor or skin tight hip huggers. They do not have feminine hair cuts. They do not dress like a lot of Conservatives kids but they are boys and it is known they are boys. Why do they look like and act like boys? because they have the HG and they are learning about a relationship with God. They are learning to seek out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

I'm glad to hear that for you and your family but what kind of world are we leaving behind for them to raise THEIR families in jax? surely you worry about that. It may be effecting your home directly but most of us can see and feel the shift of change in our country and world and it's happening at a much more rapid pace.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by StMark

I'm glad to hear that for you and your family but what kind of world are we leaving behind for them to raise THEIR families in jax? surely you worry about that. It may be effecting your home directly but most of us can see and feel the shift of change in our country and world and it's happening at a much more rapid pace.

I worry more about the morality of things and that is going to be for them raising their children than I do about rather women weaing pants or men wearing skirts is a problem. I think one can effect the other yes but I think dress is much smaller issue than attitude and morality. We can only teach them right from wrong and help them to get an understanding of things and when we are gone hope that they can keep it going as long as possible for them and theirs. Besides if it keeps picking up the pace and gets worse maybe God will come back sooner than later and I will not have to worry about it.

[StMark]

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Why do the conservatives avoid this topic like the plauge yet still enforce this as rule of fellowship and even salvation?? I'm not getting it!

I can name a long list of women on this forum who wear dresses only but wouldn't dare discuss it. WHY????????????????? I don't get that!

Is it because they don't know why they do it ???


You all have to understand that it was engrained in my genes. boys don't wear dresses and skirts and little girls have their own things they wear and don't wear. I'm trying to get use to the idea that it's left up to the individual to decide. no more cultural distinctions are necessary.

I also find it hyprocritical that most of you would allow your girls to wear jeans that still LOOK and PERTAIN to a boys pants but would freak out if the boy wore the jean jumper... made for a male of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sherri]

Mark, I think part of the cultural change is just going from dressy clothing to more casual in every arena of life. Men used to wear suits to ballgames, to the doctor, etc. Now most businessmen are even casual. Women are definitely more casual in pants. Because it is acceptable to be casual at almost any event in America now, women feel comfortable in pants. I like to wear dresses, but I definitely feel more dressed up when I'm in one. However, I don't always like to be dressed up!!! I love the feel of a good comfortable pair of jeans!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Mark, I think part of the cultural change is just going from dressy clothing to more casual in every arena of life. Men used to wear suits to ballgames, to the doctor, etc. Now most businessmen are even casual. Women are definitely more casual in pants. Because it is acceptable to be casual at almost any event in America now, women feel comfortable in pants. I like to wear dresses, but I definitely feel more dressed up when I'm in one. However, I don't always like to be dressed up!!! I love the feel of a good comfortable pair of jeans!

Yes, that is true. most of the culture is more casual. sometimes i think that's good other times I don't. I think people are just a lot more sloppy and lazy in their presentation. how you present yourself is still important don't you think?

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by StMark

Yes, that is true. most of the culture is more casual. sometimes i think that's good other times I don't. I think people are just a lot more sloppy and lazy in their presentation. how you present yourself is still important don't you think?

I think you can be sloppy in a pair of jeans or you can look nice in a pair of jeans. I've seen plenty of both.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I think you can be sloppy in a pair of jeans or you can look nice in a pair of jeans. I've seen plenty of both.

I think you're right for the most part on this. In much of the UPC, people still dress like they are going to a grand ball - often overdone. however, I think when you dress up ( at least respectfully) it says you care about yourself and your surroundings and respect the place of worship.

[Sherri]

Eddie rarely wears a suit when he preaches anymore - only on Easter or baby dedications or ordination services, etc. We have had so many people come into church who have commented on the fact that he seems so much more accessible than any other preachers that they know, because of the way he is dressed.

So many people in the South have an image of church from their past and it's not always pretty. The whole suit and tie preacher image is a part of it and brings back negative feelings. They love the fact that Eddie is just in a nice shirt and pants. He seems more human to them. We have heard this from so many people! I'm not saying this is the way to go for all pastors; it has just worked well here.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by StMark

~ ~ ~ QUESTIONS ~ ~ ~


Why do the conservatives avoid this topic like the plauge yet still enforce this as rule of fellowship and even salvation?? I'm not getting it!

I can name a long list of women on this forum who wear dresses only but wouldn't dare discuss it. WHY????????????????? I don't get that!

Is it because they don't know why they do it ???


You all have to understand that it was engrained in my genes. boys don't wear dresses and skirts and little girls have their own things they wear and don't wear. I'm trying to get use to the idea that it's left up to the individual to decide. no more cultural distinctions are necessary.

I also find it hyprocritical that most of you would allow your girls to wear jeans that still LOOK and PERTAIN to a boys pants but would freak out if the boy wore the jean jumper... made for a male of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St. Matt, I hope you will realy step back for a moment and rethink your logic in the part of your post I have highlighted.

There is as much difference in mens pants and women's pants as there is in mens shirts and womens blouses.

Your example of being hypocritical is not valid because there are styles within types of clothing that culturally at this time are worn by one sex and not the other.

For example capri pants are a female subgroup within "pants" as apparel. In the case of capri's they are a female version of pants.

Your logic does not hold. For one to say there is no biblical injunction against a woman wearing slacks does not mean one cannot have objection to a man wearing women's clothing whether it is a dress or a form of pants like carpi
s that are feminine.

You are the perfect example of conditioning when it comes to this subject. Good ole circular logic!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

St. Matt, I hope you will realy step back for a moment and rethink your logic in the part of your post I have highlighted.

There is as much difference in mens pants and women's pants as there is in mens shirts and womens blouses.

Your example of being hypocritical is not valid because there are styles within types of clothing that culturally at this time are worn by one sex and not the other.

For example capri pants are a female subgroup within "pants" as apparel. In the case of capri's they are a female version of pants.

Your logic does not hold. For one to say there is no biblical injunction against a woman wearing slacks does not mean one cannot have objection to a man wearing women's clothing whether it is a dress or a form of pants like carpi
s that are feminine.

You are the perfect example of conditioning when it comes to this subject. Good ole circular logic!

I agree that a man wearing a capri would be look ridiculous. However, are their any Dresses that only a man could wear that a woman would look ridiculous in ????