Forum is Ex-Pentecostal??

CC1 · #1 05-31-2008, 08:10 PM

FCF, NFCF and AFF had acheived a rare and treasured dynamic where persons from every spectrum of Pentecost (except Branhamites!) could come and respectfully cross swords.

Of course at times lines were crossed. We all have been quilty of that (well all but probably Scott Hutchison. He apologizes for killing flies). However we always stepped back from the abyss, took a deep breath, and resumed respectful dialogue.

The very nature of conservative old time Oneness Pentecostalism does not lend itself to much introspection and certainy not public debate of it's doctrines, traditions, issues ,etc.

Many of what liberals and some moderates consider traditions are dearly held "biblical views" to conservatives. To have those views trashed, ridiculed, made fun of, and disrespeccted post after post, day after day had a debilitating effect.

AFF became a place where conservatives no longer felt respected, welcome, and on an even playing field. In short order most of them, the preachers anyway, took their marbles and started playing in their own field. I don't really blame them as much as I wanted them to stay.

Thankfully over time some never left and some are venturing back. I hope we don't make the same mistake again.

I believe in strong discussion and have crossed swords with every con and ultra con that ever posted on AFF but I have tried to do it in a way that a bond of resepct and friendship can be developed despite our differences. I don' always succeed but I try.

Steve Epley · #2 05-31-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

FCF, NFCF and AFF had acheived a rare and treasured dynamic where persons from every spectrum of Pentecost (except Branhamites!) could come and respectfully cross swords.

Of course at times lines were crossed. We all have been quilty of that (well all but probably Scott Hutchison. He apologizes for killing flies). However we always stepped back from the abyss, took a deep breath, and resumed respectful dialogue.

The very nature of conservative old time Oneness Pentecostalism does not lend itself to much introspection and certainy not public debate of it's doctrines, traditions, issues ,etc.

Many of what liberals and some moderates consider traditions are dearly held "biblical views" to conservatives. To have those views trashed, ridiculed, made fun of, and disrespeccted post after post, day after day had a debilitating effect.

AFF became a place where conservatives no longer felt respected, welcome, and on an even playing field. In short order most of them, the preachers anyway, took their marbles and started playing in their own field. I don't really blame them as much as I wanted them to stay.

Thankfully over time some never left and some are venturing back. I hope we don't make the same mistake again.

I believe in strong discussion and have crossed swords with every con and ultra con that ever posted on AFF but I have tried to do it in a way that a bond of resepct and friendship can be developed despite our differences. I don' always succeed but I try.

CC1 I have argued and debated every subject and issue present in Pentecost on these forums. The tone for season from some were so out of bounds that I felt I was at an anti-Pentecostal site so I came less and less. I think overall it has improved. I personally enjoyed the chemistry of FCF boy the sparks would fly. It had such a wide spectrum of posters it was fun. I really do not thinkit has ever been recaptured but it may have been because it was so new to many of us.

CC1 · #3 05-31-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

CC1 I have argued and debated every subject and issue present in Pentecost on these forums. The tone for season from some were so out of bounds that I felt I was at an anti-Pentecostal site so I came less and less. I think overall it has improved. I personally enjoyed the chemistry of FCF boy the sparks would fly. It had such a wide spectrum of posters it was fun. I really do not thinkit has ever been recaptured but it may have been because it was so new to many of us.

I would love to have a copy of my first few posts in response to yours those many years ago when FCF was just getting going!

I think you raised my blood pressure a good twenty points until I got to know you better and read more posts.

rrford · #4 05-31-2008, 08:19 PM

Interesting thread. Especially the last 2 pages.

SDG · #5 05-31-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Interesting thread. Especially the last 2 pages.

RR, what's so interesting?

Steve Epley · #6 05-31-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I would love to have a copy of my first few posts in response to yours those many years ago when FCF was just getting going!

I think you raised my blood pressure a good twenty points until I got to know you better and read more posts.

I came in both guns blazing. Boyd & Groce would call me laughing their heads off. The shock value did work.

timlan2057 · #7 06-01-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

The very nature of conservative old time Oneness Pentecostalism does not lend itself to much introspection and certainy not public debate of it's doctrines, traditions, issues ,etc.

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CC1, I miss the old dynamic of FCF too. I wasn't there QUITE in the beginning. I came along around February 2004.

But you yourself quoted above the very reason for that dynamic to be gone ... NOT Dan or anyone else being "divisive."

It's plain as day that this forum was founded as a perversion of Jim Yohe's goals ... from Day One AFF was to give the illusion that "ole time pentecost"'s extra-biblical positions and mindsets were winning intellectually and by repartee with the help of censorship and coercion.

I never say "I told you so" but I had that one pegged from the very beginning.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=7761#post7761

SDG · #8 06-01-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by timlan2057

CC1, I miss the old dynamic of FCF too. I wasn't there QUITE in the beginning. I came along around February 2004.

But you yourself quoted above the very reason for that dynamic to be gone ... NOT Dan or anyone else being "divisive."

It's plain as day that this forum was founded as a perversion of Jim Yohe's goals ... from Day One AFF was to give the illusion that "ole time pentecost"'s extra-biblical positions and mindsets were winning intellectually and by repartee with the help of censorship and coercion.

I never say "I told you so" but I had that one pegged from the very beginning.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=7761#post7761

Totally agree. The foundation was built on quick sand. What CC1 fails to realize was that this was the agenda from the beginning. Although he waxed nostalgic for a forum of old .... he perhaps was duped into thinking that FCF or NFCF would be cloned here. With these men at the helm it was a genetic impossibility.

What transpired, I believe, was when controversy hit and they could not keep the appearance of "openness"... and, boy, did it from many sides .... they had to bail. The pressure from their peers .... or the perceived pressure ... was too much. Remaining "Apostolic", based on their definition, was vital.

It would have been nice to keep this "balanced" dynamic but it was a farce from the get-go as you so aptly predicted and the events that played out in January proved it. Once AFF proved to be a liability ... they could not stay.

Thank God for Renda Craig who kept this thing afloat.

CC1 · #9 06-01-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Totally agree. The foundation was built on quick sand. What CC1 fails to realize was that this was the agenda from the beginning. Although he waxed nostalgic for a forum of old .... he perhaps was duped into thinking that FCF or NFCF would be cloned here. With these men at the helm it was a genetic impossibility.

What transpired, I believe, was when controversy hit and they could not keep the appearance of "openness"... and, boy, did it from many sides .... they had to bail. The pressure from their peers .... or the perceived pressure ... was too much. Remaining "Apostolic", based on their definition, was vital.

It would have been nice to keep this "balanced" dynamic but it was a farce from the get-go as you so aptly predicted and the events that played out in January proved it. Once AFF proved to be a liability ... they could not stay.

Thank God for Renda Craig who kept this thing afloat.

If it makes you feel better to deny that poor judgement and a lack of wisdom in posting for the most part blew things up here then go for it. The truth is still the truth.

A little maturity in how one posts their views and a little respect for differing views is what kept FCF, NFCF and AFF going with that elusive dynamic I so miss.

All it took was some Johnny come lately's ( or mostly singular - A Johnny come lately) to come here with guns blazing with crude, rude words to make the more conservative leave in disgust.

It is silly to say they couldn't stand the heat and the other such garbage I see posted. They just could not stand the way in which the discussion was being handled with what they consider precioius truth being trashed in an insensitive way.

No one disagrees more with cons and ultra cons that I do but I and many more libs managed to have intelligent discourse and friendships with them on these forums. It can be done.

I wish this whole subject had not come up again because it disgusts me. A lot of good people were run off because of just plain stupidity and imaturity in posting.

Nahum · #10 06-01-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

If it makes you feel better to deny that poor judgement and a lack of wisdom in posting for the most part blew things up here then go for it. The truth is still the truth.

A little maturity in how one posts their views and a little respect for differing views is what kept FCF, NFCF and AFF going with that elusive dynamic I so miss.

All it took was some Johnny come lately's ( or mostly singular - A Johnny come lately) to come here with guns blazing with crude, rude words to make the more conservative leave in disgust.

It is silly to say they couldn't stand the heat and the other such garbage I see posted. They just could not stand the way in which the discussion was being handled with what they consider precioius truth being trashed in an insensitive way.

No one disagrees more with cons and ultra cons that I do but I and many more libs managed to have intelligent discourse and friendships with them on these forums. It can be done.

I wish this whole subject had not come up again because it disgusts me. A lot of good people were run off because of just plain stupidity and imaturity in posting.

Excellent appraisal and spot on!

I'm with you Bro!