Your experience when you dropped "dress standards"

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by StMark

and you would think that would give a lot of these
folks pause for thought. most Xupc churches rarely
mention tongues anymore after a few years of leaving
either - standards aside, that alone is worrisome

Give me something usable here. That's like saying the rise in Pepsi purchases equals the rise in drowning. What do outward standards have to do with anything?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Give me something usable here. That's like saying the rise in Pepsi purchases equals the rise in drowning. What do outward standards have to do with anything?

Do you think there is any parallell between leaving
standards altogether and changing doctrine??
many here that have done so say it is true

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by StMark

Do you think there is any parallell between leaving
standards altogether and changing doctrine??
many here that have done so say it is true

The only parallel is that people that leave the standards usually have spent some time searching things out for themselves and may come to a different conclusion than what they had been taught before. Personally my dress standards, which have nothing to do with UPC dress codes, don't affect my theology. I really don't know why we cling to these dress codes that have no relation to Scripture whatsoever and then have the nerve to claim we are building a fence or protecting someone from sin by preaching it.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by StMark

Do you think there is any parallell between leaving
standards altogether and changing doctrine??
many here that have done so say it is true

This is not a cause and effect relationship. I even wonder how strong of a correlation it is.

I still teach and apply Acts 2:38. I believe it more today then when I left the standards over 6 years ago. Do I fellowship with Trinitarians? Yes, I do this because my conservative oneness brethren did not and do not accept my family and me (Oh sure they accept us in the sense that just because my wife doesn't look like them they think she has no experience with God). This is my concern with standards -- not that others do them -- but that they begin to do judge by appearance and not by trying the spirits.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Give me something usable here. That's like saying the rise in Pepsi purchases equals the rise in drowning. What do outward standards have to do with anything?

I would have to agree with St. Mark that many churches who leave the UPC to go lib usually change more than the standards.

Many are one steppers where they either were not before or kept it hidden.

[Steve Epley]

There is a prominent poster on here who is a friend that attends a church where he himself lanquishes the lack of emphasis on the HGB. Where service after service goes by and it is not preached nor recieved. And it starts where??????

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There is a prominent poster on here who is a friend that attends a church where he himself lanquishes the lack of emphasis on the HGB. Where service after service goes by and it is not preached nor recieved. And it starts where??????

And in retrospect, I know of some smaller ultra con churches where it's rarely preached b/c of so much preaching on standards.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

I would have to agree with St. Mark that many churches who leave the UPC to go lib usually change more than the standards.

Many are one steppers where they either were not before or kept it hidden.

now you see? and this comes from an Xupcer who
goes to a prominant xupc church.

where will the next pastor take it ?????

[Jack Shephard]

CC1, do you see CC going even further towards an evangelical assembly as Dan Scott gains more of the power as Barney gets older?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

CC1, do you see CC going even further towards an evangelical assembly as Dan Scott gains more of the power as Barney gets older?

Dan Scott has actually been preaching more sermons about transformation, the supernatural power of God, freedom of worship, emotion in worship, etc than in the past at CC.

He is also more Pentecostal in preaching style at times than previous pastors and associate pastors. He is not a screamer by any means but he can get very demonstrative at times.

If Dan moves CC further away from it's Oneness roots I think it would be more along the lines of new pastoral staff being from a trinitarian background than moving away from being a Spirit Filled church. Even that is just pure speculation on my part and time will tell.

This fear that somehow Dan Scott is going to turn CC into an Episcopal church is nonsense in my opinon based on his preaching since he came back several years ago. If he ever was headed that direction I think his experience in AZ changed his mind. When Pianoman and I directly asked him about his association with the Episocopal church he pointed out that the Episcopal org. he is ordained with is a Charismatic African one. Not the main one.