Your experience when you dropped "dress standards"

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by StMark

Do you think there is any parallell between leaving
standards altogether and changing doctrine??
many here that have done so say it is true

The only parallel is that people that leave the standards usually have spent some time searching things out for themselves and may come to a different conclusion than what they had been taught before. Personally my dress standards, which have nothing to do with UPC dress codes, don't affect my theology. I really don't know why we cling to these dress codes that have no relation to Scripture whatsoever and then have the nerve to claim we are building a fence or protecting someone from sin by preaching it.

[HeavenlyOne]

People wouldn't question doctrine if they weren't told that standards are mentioned in the Bible only to find that they don't exist there at all.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

People wouldn't question doctrine if they weren't told that standards are mentioned in the Bible only to find that they don't exist there at all.

That's odd when I found them there NOT as prominent as Acts 2:38 the ONLY way for man to be saved today but there.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

CC1, do you see CC going even further towards an evangelical assembly as Dan Scott gains more of the power as Barney gets older?

Dan Scott has actually been preaching more sermons about transformation, the supernatural power of God, freedom of worship, emotion in worship, etc than in the past at CC.

He is also more Pentecostal in preaching style at times than previous pastors and associate pastors. He is not a screamer by any means but he can get very demonstrative at times.

If Dan moves CC further away from it's Oneness roots I think it would be more along the lines of new pastoral staff being from a trinitarian background than moving away from being a Spirit Filled church. Even that is just pure speculation on my part and time will tell.

This fear that somehow Dan Scott is going to turn CC into an Episcopal church is nonsense in my opinon based on his preaching since he came back several years ago. If he ever was headed that direction I think his experience in AZ changed his mind. When Pianoman and I directly asked him about his association with the Episocopal church he pointed out that the Episcopal org. he is ordained with is a Charismatic African one. Not the main one.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by CC1

Dan Scott has actually been preaching more sermons about transformation, the supernatural power of God, freedom of worship, emotion in worship, etc than in the past at CC.

He is also more Pentecostal in preaching style at times than previous pastors and associate pastors. He is not a screamer by any means but he can get very demonstrative at times.

If Dan moves CC further away from it's Oneness roots I think it would be more along the lines of new pastoral staff being from a trinitarian background than moving away from being a Spirit Filled church. Even that is just pure speculation on my part and time will tell.

This fear that somehow Dan Scott is going to turn CC into an Episcopal church is nonsense in my opinon based on his preaching since he came back several years ago. If he ever was headed that direction I think his experience in AZ changed his mind. When Pianoman and I directly asked him about his association with the Episocopal church he pointed out that the Episcopal org. he is ordained with is a Charismatic African one. Not the main one.

I agree with ya. I enjoy his ministering style. At times he has been stowic, but most often he has been demonstrative like you say. He does seem more Pentecostal than most others there. Did CC get a new Pastorial staff or were you using that as an example of if Dan moves it a certain direction? If he were to make it more of a trinitarian church would you stick there?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

Dan Scott has actually been preaching more sermons about transformation, the supernatural power of God, freedom of worship, emotion in worship, etc than in the past at CC.

He is also more Pentecostal in preaching style at times than previous pastors and associate pastors. He is not a screamer by any means but he can get very demonstrative at times.

If Dan moves CC further away from it's Oneness roots I think it would be more along the lines of new pastoral staff being from a trinitarian background than moving away from being a Spirit Filled church. Even that is just pure speculation on my part and time will tell.

This fear that somehow Dan Scott is going to turn CC into an Episcopal church is nonsense in my opinon based on his preaching since he came back several years ago. If he ever was headed that direction I think his experience in AZ changed his mind. When Pianoman and I directly asked him about his association with the Episocopal church he pointed out that the Episcopal org. he is ordained with is a Charismatic African one. Not the main one.

Well that should ease your minds greatly!

[AmazingGrace]

I still hold a high standard of dress for myself. Its not forced upon me but its something that is what I feel I need to do... between God and me and no one else. I do not force this upon my children either but they have developed a love relationship with God and they have built their own convictions. So needless to say... we havent dropped dress standards here! I dont look like no FLDS but I believe in modesty and live by it.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I agree with ya. I enjoy his ministering style. At times he has been stowic, but most often he has been demonstrative like you say. He does seem more Pentecostal than most others there. Did CC get a new Pastorial staff or were you using that as an example of if Dan moves it a certain direction? If he were to make it more of a trinitarian church would you stick there?

Dan Scott will be voted in within a few week or months as senior pastor. I don't think he'll change anything until Bro. Hardwick passes away.

Who Dan Scott picks as his assistant pastor will signal where he intends to take the church. If he picks a non-Apostolic minister, I will begin the process of looking elsewhere.

For whatever reasons, Dan Scott took a thriving church in Phoenix and it was in shambles when he resigned. I think much of it was caused by installing his own brand of theology.

I fear for Christ Church.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Dan Scott will be voted in within a few week or months as senior pastor. I don't think he'll change anything until Bro. Hardwick passes away.

Who Dan Scott picks as his assistant pastor will signal where he intends to take the church. If he picks a non-Apostolic minister, I will begin the process of looking elsewhere.

For whatever reasons, Dan Scott took a thriving church in Phoenix and it was in shambles when he resigned. I think much of it was caused by installing his own brand of theology.

I fear for Christ Church.

So, apparently there is a line you won't cross when it comes to your ears. Awesome, Brother.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That's odd when I found them there NOT as prominent as Acts 2:38 the ONLY way for man to be saved today but there.

Brother, I was told all my life that the Bible taught against women wearing pants. My pastor would often tell us that we didn't need scripture for it, but it was there. He also taught against facial hair on men, short sleeves on anyone, and other things that aren't Biblical even in principle except his own interpretation.

Now, having said that, I don't question the doctrine I was taught. I believe it because I see it in scripture. I don't see the rest in scripture as I was told.

For instance, I believe all of scripture. I believe we should obey Deut 22:5, because dressing like the other gender is an abomination. I totally believe that. What I don't believe is that it's saying women cannot wear pants. That message wouldn't be preached in India, cause the cultural dress for women is a pant-like garment as it is for men in that country.

You also can't preach against dresses for men (although it applies in the US) in certain Arab and African countries because those men wear dress-like garments.

This is why the UPC manual says nothing about this standard, because they are international, and you can't have international dress standards.

I believe it's ok to preach principle or personal opinion or preference, but to say that it's Bible is incorrect. The Bible doesn't tell us we have to dress in certain attire. That's what I was taught all my life.