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Old 06-07-2008, 06:20 PM
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To Hell and Back

I just watched a program on MSNBC that profiled Carlton Pearson and his journey to the gospel of inclusion. Carlton said that the turning point for him on his beliefs regarding hell came while watching a program on starving people who were dying. He said he asked God how could He let so many people suffer and then send them to Hell. It was at this point that he claims the Spirit spoke to him and said, "Is that what you think we're doing?" From there things snowballed into him preaching that there is no such thing hell; not the way we've been taught it anyway. Subsequently he lost everything he had worked for, including the 30 acres site where his church was located and his standing among his contemporaries. Oral Roberts and others disowned him and labeled him a heretic in the process of his "fall".

Anyway, he says that eventually a lesbian "pastor" from California invited him to come speak at her church and according to him, "They healed me." They accepted him and washed his feet.

This experience set him on his current course for a comeback, of sorts. He's been holding services on Sunday afternoons in the sanctuary of a Presbyterian church, and has managed to pack those services with his new message of inclusion. He says that either Jesus succeeded in his quest to die for all the sins of the world and there is no Hell, or He failed at what He set out to do.

I know a lot has been said about this man and this doctrine on these forums, but this is the first time I've had the chance to hear him says things for himself. I don't see how anyone could throw out so much of the Bible to give this doctrine even the most minimal amount of recognition. It's heresy, plain and simple, and a gross perversion of the Gospel. God help me to never get so far off the beaten paths of Christianity that I fall into this sort of trap.
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:27 PM
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For most people it happens so gradually that they don't realize it until they have just crossed over the line so far and are in the desert with no well in sight. If someone who lives a life that is considered an abomination to God "healed" him, notice they "healed" him not God. How much more wrong can you be? The enemy had him before his "revelation". In my opinion.
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:35 PM
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For most people it happens so gradually that they don't realize it until they have just crossed over the line so far and are in the desert with no well in sight. If someone who lives a life that is considered an abomination to God "healed" him, notice they "healed" him not God. How much more wrong can you be? The enemy had him before his "revelation". In my opinion.
I couldn't help but notice how he said the Spirit referred to Himself as "We." That sent up a major red flag.
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:42 PM
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Was this person once a oneness believer?
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:43 PM
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Was this person once a oneness believer?
Not that I know of. His background is COGIC and went to ORU (although he didn't graduate).
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Old 06-07-2008, 06:54 PM
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It's a very sad situation to me.
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:11 PM
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It's a very sad situation to me.
One of the things he said was that he could see how his dad's face changed when he finally convince him that his grandparents weren't in hell. His grandfather was a COGIC preacher, backslid and eventually his grandmother did too. They both died lost.
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I couldn't help but notice how he said the Spirit referred to Himself as "We." That sent up a major red flag.
This really shouldn't have been a surprise since he's always been a Trinitarian. The vast majority of them talk that way.
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I just watched a program on MSNBC that profiled Carlton Pearson and his journey to the gospel of inclusion. Carlton said that the turning point for him on his beliefs regarding hell came while watching a program on starving people who were dying. He said he asked God how could He let so many people suffer and then send them to Hell. It was at this point that he claims the Spirit spoke to him and said, "Is that what you think we're doing?" From there things snowballed into him preaching that there is no such thing hell; not the way we've been taught it anyway. Subsequently he lost everything he had worked for, including the 30 acres site where his church was located and his standing among his contemporaries. Oral Roberts and others disowned him and labeled him a heretic in the process of his "fall".

Anyway, he says that eventually a lesbian "pastor" from California invited him to come speak at her church and according to him, "They healed me." They accepted him and washed his feet.

This experience set him on his current course for a comeback, of sorts. He's been holding services on Sunday afternoons in the sanctuary of a Presbyterian church, and has managed to pack those services with his new message of inclusion. He says that either Jesus succeeded in his quest to die for all the sins of the world and there is no Hell, or He failed at what He set out to do.

I know a lot has been said about this man and this doctrine on these forums, but this is the first time I've had the chance to hear him says things for himself. I don't see how anyone could throw out so much of the Bible to give this doctrine even the most minimal amount of recognition. It's heresy, plain and simple, and a gross perversion of the Gospel. God help me to never get so far off the beaten paths of Christianity that I fall into this sort of trap.
Rico, I watched that exact program on MSNBC a short while back and it blew my mind. I was sick to my stomach by what I watched the man say and what made me even sicker was to see all of those deceived people following Him there. His congregation's growing too. Mind Boggling!
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:24 AM
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God cannot lie, nor does He change His Word. And our enemy is clever, there but for the grace of God, go I. That should be the most frightening thing of all. Thank you Jesus for your grace and the mercy that endures forever. Amen!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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