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[CC1]

Here are some of the NT scriptures that I think make some Oneness folks uncomfortable or at least talks in the same language that they accuse makes trinitarians polytheistic;


John 6:44 (King James Version)
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44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 10:32 (King James Version)
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32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

I find this one fascinating because Jesus doesn't say HE will confess them but that he will confess them "before my father".

1 John 1:3 (King James Version)
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3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

More verbage making a distinction between the Father and Jesus. This and many more scriptures refer seperately to the Father and Jesus. I have wonndered why they did not state it something lke "....with the Father which is Jesus Christ" or "....with the Father, Jesus Christ. It seems in the NT a distinction is consistently made.

Then of course there is also the scripture S Hoove pointed out a few posts above where Jesus says "I go to my Father".

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here are some of the NT scriptures that I think make some Oneness folks uncomfortable or at least talks in the same language that they accuse makes trinitarians polytheistic;


John 6:44 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 10:32 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

I find this one fascinating because Jesus doesn't say HE will confess them but that he will confess them "before my father".

1 John 1:3 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain


3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

More verbage making a distinction between the Father and Jesus. This and many more scriptures refer seperately to the Father and Jesus. I have wonndered why they did not state it something lke "....with the Father which is Jesus Christ" or "....with the Father, Jesus Christ. It seems in the NT a distinction is consistently made.

Then of course there is also the scripture S Hoove pointed out a few posts above where Jesus says "I go to my Father".

How about John 5:16 through about chapter 7? When I was Bible quizzing and we did the book of John we skipped those 3 chapters.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

How about John 5:16 through about chapter 7? When I was Bible quizzing and we did the book of John we skipped those 3 chapters.

It is interesting because in there it talks about the Holy Ghost not yet being given because Jesus was not yet glorified.

I think it is clear there is "God" outside of the physical "Son of God" Jesus Christ hence the seperate references of "going to my father", etc.

I wonder what the thought is about any kind of distinction between the "Father" and the "Holy Spirit". Is there any "aspect" or operation of God outside of the Holy Spirit?