so scientists are looking for plants that process chemicals in a way that might be benificial to humans and they are interviewing those closest to these plants, people who have some experience with them....
so if you take a liniar view of history and move backwards in time, drug makers today have an historic connection to occult pharmacology.
but what is the point? the only point you can have is that drugs we use today are tetherd to witchcraft.
and we are saying that is just silly. there is no connection between proper use of modern medicine and ancient pharmocological occultic practice.
we all will agree that illicit drug use today has the same spirits associated with it that it had 2000 years ago. Witchcraft is alive and well in 2008.
so, I ask again. what is your point?
FERD,
1. First off, this a pretty cool and thoughtfully challenging post.
2. If you have experienced a personal benefit from sustained ingestation of controlled substances (sythethic chemical compounds), I am not against you or your pragmatism in pursuit of options available to you.
3. IN YOUR OPINION, is entering into a chronic medication management regime God's methodology for bringing his REMEDY to his people that call upon his name for healing?
If it is NOT, it is a substitute conceived from the wisdom of men as an alternate approach to a God-supplied healing.
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FERD,
1. First off, this a pretty cool and thoughtfully challenging post.
2. If you have experienced a personal benefit from sustained ingestation of controlled substances (sythethic chemical compounds), I am not against you or your pragmatism in pursuit of options available to you.
3. IN YOUR OPINION, is entering into a chronic medication management regime God's methodology for bringing his REMEDY to his people that call upon his name for healing?
If it is NOT, it is a substitute conceived from the wisdom of men as an alternate approach to a God-supplied healing.
It's the use of God-supplied wisdom. God can and does heal both ways.
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FERD,
1. First off, this a pretty cool and thoughtfully challenging post.
2. If you have experienced a personal benefit from sustained ingestation of controlled substances (sythethic chemical compounds), I am not against you or your pragmatism in pursuit of options available to you.
3. IN YOUR OPINION, is entering into a chronic medication management regime God's methodology for bringing his REMEDY to his people that call upon his name for healing?
If it is NOT, it is a substitute conceived from the wisdom of men as an alternate approach to a God-supplied healing.
Thanks.
in my opinion sometimes the answer to prayer for healing is "No". Why I dont have a clue. But that doesnt change the sovernty of God.
AND Medicine is there for us to use responsibly. Gods methodology? I honestly dont know what that means. really, I dont. I know Ive seen sick people healed. I know I have seen people full of faith not be healed. I look at one of those every morning in the mirror.
I dont understand how anyone can suggest that God is against medicine. I dont know if that is what you are suggesting or not but I dont get it.
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in my opinion sometimes the answer to prayer for healing is "No". Why I dont have a clue. But that doesnt change the sovernty of God.
AND Medicine is there for us to use responsibly. Gods methodology? I honestly dont know what that means. really, I dont. I know Ive seen sick people healed. I know I have seen people full of faith not be healed. I look at one of those every morning in the mirror.
I dont understand how anyone can suggest that God is against medicine. I dont know if that is what you are suggesting or not but I dont get it.
Ferd,
Who suggested God is against medicine? I haven't seen anyone here that suggested it.
Who suggested God is against medicine? I haven't seen anyone here that suggested it.
I'm not Ferd, but in my opinion....when medicine is said to be equal to witchcraft then one would only assume that God would be against medicine since he is against witchcraft... that is just what it appears....imo
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I'm not Ferd, but in my opinion....when medicine is said to be equal to witchcraft then one would only assume that God would be against medicine since he is against witchcraft... that is just what it appears....imo
Exactly, how can you say medicine is witchcraft then say God's not against it?
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I am not prepared to link God with the pharmaceutical industry or its practitioners.
At best they are different options available for a person to choose.
At worst, they may be in opposition.
The principle of ingesting something that may have therapeutic benefit with regard to managing a natural consequence with these bodies, is a scripturally outlined opportunity. Extending that confidence to pave a road of acceptance concerning the large scale medicating we see in our current societal approach to health care is NOT consistent with " a little wine for the stomach and strong drink for the dieing."
I do not believe that the merry heart does good like a medicine.
The Hebrew word gehaw(?) is REMEDY or CURE. KJV translators may have been OK to use the two words interchangeable [medicine and CURE], but who among us would believe that medicine and CURE are synonymous or interchangeable.
Our world is SUPER SATURATED with synthetic chemical compounds that we put into our blood stream. Every one of these choices will need to be subsequently filtered by our liver or kidneys. If that is all perfectly consistent with God's plan, how about we just drop ALL PHARMA and just drink a little wine when our stomach is upset.
I am confident that our body chemistry is the line of demarcation between body and spirit. It is an aspect of our lives that should be maintained with all vigilance and direction from our Lord.
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I am not prepared to link God with the pharmaceutical industry or its practitioners.
At best they are different options available for a person to choose.
At worst, they may be in opposition.
The principle of ingesting something that may have therapeutic benefit with regard to managing a natural consequence with these bodies, is a scripturally outlined opportunity. Extending that confidence to pave a road of acceptance concerning the large scale medicating we see in our current societal approach to health care is NOT consistent with " a little wine for the stomach and strong drink for the dieing."
I do not believe that the merry heart does good like a medicine.
The Hebrew word gehaw(?) is REMEDY or CURE. KJV translators may have been OK to use the two words interchangeable [medicine and CURE], but who among us would believe that medicine and CURE are synonymous or interchangeable.
Our world is SUPER SATURATED with synthetic chemical compounds that we put into our blood stream. Every one of these choices will need to be subsequently filtered by our liver or kidneys. If that is all perfectly consistent with God's plan, how about we just drop ALL PHARMA and just drink a little wine when our stomach is upset.
I am confident that our body chemistry is the line of demarcation between body and spirit. It is an aspect of our lives that should be maintained with all vigilance and direction from our Lord.
I agree with you to an extent, but I think that God is the only answer. There is no parallel answer. You can't find something that doesn't lead back to God except sin.
A cure and medicine are synonymous, the word medicine does not simply mean something you take because your doctor gives it to you, that isn't even close. A medication is remedy to a problem, in a way it is a cure. The definition of cure is a method used for treatment.
I just don't get your argument with the scriptural translation, it's just an argument of semantics and holds no real validity.
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I am not prepared to link God with the pharmaceutical industry or its practitioners.
At best they are different options available for a person to choose.
At worst, they may be in opposition.
The principle of ingesting something that may have therapeutic benefit with regard to managing a natural consequence with these bodies, is a scripturally outlined opportunity. Extending that confidence to pave a road of acceptance concerning the large scale medicating we see in our current societal approach to health care is NOT consistent with " a little wine for the stomach and strong drink for the dieing."
I do not believe that the merry heart does good like a medicine.
The Hebrew word gehaw(?) is REMEDY or CURE. KJV translators may have been OK to use the two words interchangeable [medicine and CURE], but who among us would believe that medicine and CURE are synonymous or interchangeable.
Our world is SUPER SATURATED with synthetic chemical compounds that we put into our blood stream. Every one of these choices will need to be subsequently filtered by our liver or kidneys. If that is all perfectly consistent with God's plan, how about we just drop ALL PHARMA and just drink a little wine when our stomach is upset.
I am confident that our body chemistry is the line of demarcation between body and spirit. It is an aspect of our lives that should be maintained with all vigilance and direction from our Lord.
Pewman, I think you may be mixing metaphors or some such....
If you fall in with those that are linking modern medication with witchcraft and ancient spiritualists who used drugs as a gateway to the spirit world, then we strongly disagree.
If however, as the above post suggests, you want to have a conversation about the over medication of American Society, then I strongly agree with you!
there are clear indications that we are over medicated. I for one could be taking pain medicine today. I could have a prescription for the strongest vicodine available if I wanted it because I have constant pain related to my back.
But, the fact is, the pain is manageable without medicine. Far too many simply go to the doctor and get more pills.
diabetes is a terrible disease and they require a great deal of medication. but I know many who could control it to a greater degree and far less medication if they would change their lifestyles and eating habits.
(Please note this is no indictment to those of you here with this disease).
just watch television for 30 minutes and you will see pills for everything. we take pills to sleep, pills to wake up, pills to get thru life, pills to deal with death. you name it we have a pill for it and really what a lot of these folks ought to be doing is walking 30 minutes a day and facing life head on.
***Not so legal disclaimer***
I'm not a doctor so if you are own some medication, please continue and see a doctor if you think you should change your medication taking regimen...
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