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07-07-2008, 04:20 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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I never implied that I believed inhaling tar filled smoke into lungs didn't defile the body. It most certainly does.
What I can't do, according to scripture, is say that a person who smokes cigarettes is somehow in worse spiritual condition than others who defile their bodies through any number of other means.
Your point about Phillipians 2:12, someone working out their own salvation with fear and trembling, is key.
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This thread is about smoking. I've avoided going off on the other things you've been saying because, first and foremost, I want to know what you all thought "defiling the temple" means. I think it can applied to anything we do that is unhealthy. I'm struggling to overcome some things, so these verses, sting me just as much as they might others.
The bottom line is I want to please God by glorifying Him in my body and in my Spirit which are His. So I'm not trying to condemn anyone, but I'm not going to say, this is okay and that is okay and we're all going to heaven when the word of God says if we defile our bodies, God will destroy us.
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07-07-2008, 04:23 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
One preacher was asked if smoking would keep a person from Heaven.
His answer was, "No, and it actually may get them there sooner."
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07-07-2008, 04:26 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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One preacher was asked if smoking would keep a person from Heaven.
His answer was, "No, and it actually may get them there sooner."
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I heard another preacher say, "Smoking won't send you to hell, it will just make you smell like you've been there!"
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07-07-2008, 04:29 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
When it says that God will "destroy" those who "defile" the temple (body) by lack of proper sleep, improper diet, lack of exercise, smoking, caffeine, alcohol, etc does it mean destroy by eternal damnation or destroy by sickness, premature death, etc?
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07-08-2008, 05:21 AM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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One preacher was asked if smoking would keep a person from Heaven.
His answer was, "No, and it actually may get them there sooner."
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We had a pastor that once said, Smoking won't send you to hell, it just makes you smell like you have been there"
After I posted this, I saw Micheal Phelps had quoted the same thing... Sorry  (guess great minds think alike)
What about fire-fighters? They intentionally run into buildings filling thier lungs with smoke, in order to save a human life, is that wrong? (I know this is a stupid question, but this post has gotten a little crazy!)
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07-08-2008, 05:56 AM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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We had a pastor that once said, Smoking won't send you to hell, it just makes you smell like you have been there"
After I posted this, I saw Micheal Phelps had quoted the same thing... Sorry (guess great minds think alike)
What about fire-fighters? They intentionally run into buildings filling thier lungs with smoke, in order to save a human life, is that wrong? (I know this is a stupid question, but this post has gotten a little crazy!) |
Ha, wonder if it was the same pastor!?!?
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07-07-2008, 04:25 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
This thread is about smoking. I've avoided going off on the other things you've been saying because, first and foremost, I want to know what you all thought "defiling the temple" means. I think it can applied to anything we do that is unhealthy. I'm struggling to overcome some things, so these verses, sting me just as much as they might others.
The bottom line is I want to please God by glorifying Him in my body and in my Spirit which are His. So I'm not trying to condemn anyone, but I'm not going to say, this is okay and that is okay and we're all going to heaven when the word of God says if we defile our bodies, God will destroy us.
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I understand, but you can't discuss smoking as a heaven or hell issue without bringing into account the other things that "defile" the temple, IF you believe that we are defiled by what we take into our bodies.
If you believe that Jesus meant what He said, and we're not defiled by what we take in, then this whole conversation is null and void.
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07-07-2008, 04:30 PM
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Re: Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I understand, but you can't discuss smoking as a heaven or hell issue without bringing into account the other things that "defile" the temple, IF you believe that we are defiled by what we take into our bodies.
If you believe that Jesus meant what He said, and we're not defiled by what we take in, then this whole conversation is null and void.
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I believe Jesus was talking about food.
Jesus didn't go into a sermon about gluttony and moderation at the time.
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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