In The Counsel of Many

[Esther]

Originally Posted by bishoph

2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

This one is a fairly simple one. (I have not read the book so I don't know what their answer was.)

There are only 3 spirits at work in this world, the spirit of God, demonic spirits, and human spirits. God always has dominion over demonic spirits. The human spirit on the other hand is not subject to the spirit of God unless surrendered/submitted. So...... if a person is "demonstrating" demonic actions i.e. rolling on the floor, flopping around, frothing at the mouth, etc. all you have to do is speak to the spirit to cease/stop whatever it is doing/saying and if it is a demonic spirit it MUST obey. It has no choice, for a demonic spirit is subject to God and as his child I therefore have the same dominion over them. (Show me even one example of a demon refusing the command of Jesus or one of the Apostles.)

If the activity does not cease, you are dealing with a human spirit, not a demon.

You are on target without a doubt.

However, the Apostles try and deliver the boy that was throwing himself into the fire and Jesus was the only one able to deliver him, and then He said these kind come out ONLY by prayer and fasting?

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Esther

You are on target without a doubt.

However, the Apostles try and deliver the boy that was throwing himself into the fire and Jesus was the only one able to deliver him, and then He said these kind come out ONLY by prayer and fasting?

WADR Sis E, there are no hard devils. Jesus was referring to the apostles' unbelief. That kind of unbelief only comes out by that person's own prayer and fasting.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

WADR Sis E, there are no hard devils. Jesus was referring to the apostles' unbelief. That kind of unbelief only comes out by that person's own prayer and fasting.

I agree with you, but in your comment you said no Apostle ever tried to cast out a devil without success. Just reminding you there was one case.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Esther

I agree with you, but in your comment you said no Apostle ever tried to cast out a devil without success. Just reminding you there was one case.

Sorry sis, I did not say that. That was on someone else's post.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Sorry sis, I did not say that. That was on someone else's post.

Your right. Sorry, that was Bishop's answer.