Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 48

Michael Phelps · #**471** 07-10-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

No! I couldn't post on it then. I am on a hair thread fast and loving every minute of it!

Yeah, I know........I've been tempted to ask you a question about hair, but wouldn't want to be a stumblingblock!

Michael Phelps · #**472** 07-10-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyk

How about we smoke a pork flavored tobacco stick, while getting our hair cut, as we watch TV and wear shorts.

Rico · #**473** 07-10-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Yeah, I know........I've been tempted to ask you a question about hair, but wouldn't want to be a stumblingblock!

Thank you! You are a man of integrity.

AbundantGrace · #**474** 07-10-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Rico, you are exhibiting immaturity. I am embarrassed for you. Have you even considered that there ARE smokers viewing this thread? People who have struggled to quit, want to quit, feel Jesus telling them to quit? You are doing the work of the enemy as you justify the filthiness of flesh.

Brother,
You are so full of filthy self-righteousness! Look at what you wrote "Struggled To Quit". Brother, if someone's struggling to quit, that means that they're putting forth an effort... They're trying... If you've never smoked before, then you have absolutely no idea of the struggle that there is in quitting. I was a Meth addict for a number of years. Laying Meth and Cocaine down was NOTHING in comparison to the physical dependency and withdrawals of smoking. It was literally one of the hardest things that I ever did. I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost... I was delivered completely from any desire for Meth or the like, however, as hard as I tried, I couldn't quit smoking. I tried, but it just wouldn't happen. Yet I STILL Had the Holy Ghost. He didn't forsake me. He didn't abandon me. Finally a few months after receiving the precious Holy Ghost, I felt Him say to me to put them down and He would take them. I obeyed in faith and at that very moment, God instantly set me free from any desire or craving with NO withdrawal symptoms. You and King Epley and St. Mark and whoever the other self-righteous Pharisees are on this thread, can try to deny that it happened just that way, but whether you believe it or not, just like the old hymn says, I was there when it happened, so I guess I ought to know.

You people act as though you are without sin... You act as though you are the picture of perfection, holiness and righteousness, but the righteousness that you are relying in is as filthy rags. The only righteousness within me, is that which I has been imparted to me by Christ Jesus. I pray that you can see yourselves and I mean that sincerely. There is nothing that does the "work of the enemy" like a judgmental, condemning spirit of a Pharisee. You kill people with your condemnation... Why can't you allow God to be God and let Him judge people's hearts and motives? You're not Jesus, Jr! Your blood wasn't shed for sin! Quit acting like it!

1 John 1:8-10 NIV "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives."

AbundantGrace · #**475** 07-10-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Not one time have I attacked those caught in the trap of nicotine. I have only railed against those who revel in the addiction, while defending the permissability of such mad suicidal behavior.Anyway, I'm outa here. This is a moronic thread.

Moronic Poster!

Rico · #**476** 07-10-2008, 02:15 PM

I think it's safe to say we are delivered from all sin when we get saved. However, we may not see the manifestation of that deliverance immediately.

Tyk · #**477** 07-10-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Brother,
You are so full of filthy self-righteousness! Look at what you wrote "Struggled To Quit". Brother, if someone's struggling to quit, that means that they're putting forth an effort... They're trying... If you've never smoked before, then you have absolutely no idea of the struggle that there is in quitting. I was a Meth addict for a number of years. Laying Meth and Cocaine down was NOTHING in comparison to the physical dependency and withdrawals of smoking. It was literally one of the hardest things that I ever did. I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost... I was delivered completely from any desire for Meth or the like, however, as hard as I tried, I couldn't quit smoking. I tried, but it just wouldn't happen. Yet I STILL Had the Holy Ghost. He didn't forsake me. He didn't abandon me. Finally a few months after receiving the precious Holy Ghost, I felt Him say to me to put them down and He would take them. I obeyed in faith and at that very moment, God instantly set me free from any desire or craving with NO withdrawal symptoms. You and King Epley and St. Mark and whoever the other self-righteous Pharisees are on this thread, can try to deny that it happened just that way, but whether you believe it or not, just like the old hymn says, I was there when it happened, so I guess I ought to know.

You people act as though you are without sin... You act as though you are the picture of perfection, holiness and righteousness, but the righteousness that you are relying in is as filthy rags. The only righteousness within me, is that which I has been imparted to me by Christ Jesus. I pray that you can see yourselves and I mean that sincerely. There is nothing that does the "work of the enemy" like a judgmental, condemning spirit of a Pharisee. You kill people with your condemnation... Why can't you allow God to be God and let Him judge people's hearts and motives? You're not Jesus, Jr! Your blood wasn't shed for sin! Quit acting like it!

1 John 1:8-10 NIV "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives."

I'm still searching things out, and I don't always agree with you. *im a lil' bit more conservative I think

* but that post was dead on IMO.

AbundantGrace · #**478** 07-10-2008, 02:17 PM

Thank God for the Blood! It's amazing how the blood covers our sin from the sight of God! AMAZING!

AbundantGrace · #**479** 07-10-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyk

I'm still searching things out, and I don't always agree with you. *im a lil' bit more conservative I think

* but that post was dead on IMO.

Happy to have some common ground with you my friend! I don't find that too very often on this forum.

Aquila · #**480** 07-10-2008, 02:23 PM

I know an older Apostolic bro in Colorado who's a third generation Apostolic. His grandmother used to roll her own cigarrettes. She believed the rumblings of tobacco prohibition were a bunch of bunk. lol

Here's the deal folks...for centuries it was believed that tobacco was good for a person. Even as recently as the 50 there were commercials talking about the "benefits" of smoking. Few, if anyone, knew it was bad for you. Was it a sin then too? If they find out coffee does more damage to one's health than tobacco...will drinking a cup of coffee be damnable? And those of us who do drink coffee...will we then be condemned?

What I'm wondering right now is how much of our prohibition against tobacco is cultural and circumstantial and how much is actually "biblical"? Would we be condemning tobacco use 200 years ago?