Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Rico

I don't know about adulterers as a whole, but I have known some men who simply could not be faithful no matter how hard they try. I've heard that scientists have found a difference in the brain of homosexuals and those of heterosexuals. I think eventually they will find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. There may be a difference in the brains of people engaged in other types of deviant sexual behaviour.

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

That's only true if you believe God made us the way we are.

Man is a fallen creature. I believe sin has twisted us on every level: spiritual, psychological, and yes...even biological down to our very genetics. It's like any other genetic disorder...did God make people that way? No...God made man whole without sickness or genetic disorders. But man fell, now we are subject to death, sickness, and genetic disorders that cause our flesh to war against our spirits. That's why so many gays kill themselves....they don't want to be gay. Their spirits are at war with something in their flesh that they cannot control. They are captives, bound by sin, enslaved by their sinful flesh (biology).

Yes, I believe it may be biological or genetic...but no, I don't believe God made them that way. It's a symptom of the all pervading effects of sin on our nature, here for some...the biological nature.

I don't believe that all who call themselves "gay" chose it. I think for some it's their "flesh" (biology). And their only hope for total deliverance is a miraculous healing. Demanding they repent is only part of the problem. They need touched by the master, changed, made a new creature...all the way down to the DNA.

Death is biological, God didn't create men to die...but it is part of our physical nature because of sin in our members, it is a biological effect of sin on the whole race. There is no good thing in this flesh.

We demand they change themselves....they need a healer. A deliverer...someone who came to set the captive FREE. They need to repent of sin committed and pay for healing. And we need to surround them praying for that miraculous touch. Then and only then will they be really free.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's only true if you believe God made us the way we are.

Man is a fallen creature. I believe sin has twisted us on every level: spiritual, psychological, and yes...even biological down to our very genetics. It's like any other genetic disorder...did God make people that way? No...God made man whole without sickness or genetic disorders. But man fell, now we are subject to death, sickness, and genetic disorders that cause our flesh to war against our spirits. That's why so many gays kill themselves....they don't want to be gay. Their spirits are at war with something in their flesh that they cannot control.

Yes, I believe it may be biological or genetic...but no, I don't believe God made them that way. It's the all pervading effects of sin on our nature, here for some...the biological nature.

I don't believe that all who call themselves "gay" chose it. I think for some it's their "flesh" (biology). And their only hope for total deliverance is a miraculous healing. Demanding they repent is only part of the problem. They need touched by the master, changed, made a new creature...all the way down to the DNA.

Aquila, I agree with this line of reasoning. It makes perfect sense. It explains why certain diseases are genetic too. Does God create someone to be a diabetic, or have heart problems, or end up with breast cancer? I don't think so, but sin has infected man to his very core, even his DNA.

[rrford]

I will bow out of this converstaion with this post:

Very few things in scripture are listed as an abomination. While the sinful nature is inherent in us, with all of the resultant behaviours and effects, not one of those rises to the level of an abomination. Surely we understand a difference between what would call the normal results of a sinful nature and the abherrent results of giving oneself over to sin? The one comes without choice; the second is totally predicated upon choice.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rrford

I will bow out of this converstaion with this post:

Very few things in scripture are listed as an abomination. While the sinful nature is inherent in us, with all of the resultant behaviours and effects, not one of those rises to the level of an abomination. Surely we understand a difference between what would call the normal results of a sinful nature and the abherrent results of giving oneself over to sin? The one comes without choice; the second is totally predicated upon choice.

I can agree to some degree. While a gay person may be born a sinner, with homosexual tendencies...they choose to act on those tendencies. We're born with our hormones and pheromones responding to the opposite gender...and we still have a choice to fornicate or not.

When a homosexual says they always had that inclination they're saying that they have never felt the same depth of physical attraction toward the opposite gender. They had always responded hormonally and physically toward the same gender. They say they were born that way. Well...we're all born with sinful inclinations tied up in the very DNA of this rotten, sinful, fallen flesh. They can be healed.

But if they've acted on those inclinations...they need to repent of the act.

Repentance will bring forgiveness for the acts performed...healing will deliver from the uncontrollable inclinations of their flesh. It's going to take a two fold deliverance.

[live4him]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I can agree to some degree. While a gay person may be born a sinner, with homosexual tendencies...they choose to act on those tendencies. We're born with our hormones and pheromones responding to the opposite gender...and we still have a choice to fornicate or not.

When a homosexual says they always had that inclination they're saying that they have never felt the same depth of physical attraction toward the opposite gender. They had always responded hormonally and physically toward the same gender. They say they were born that way. Well...we're all born with sinful inclinations tied up in the very DNA of this rotten, sinful, fallen flesh. They can be healed.

But if they've acted on those inclinations...they need to repent of the act.

Repentance will bring forgiveness for the acts performed...healing will deliver from the uncontrollable inclinations of their flesh. It's going to take a two fold deliverance.

very well said, i agree

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

Aquila, I agree with this line of reasoning. It makes perfect sense. It explains why certain diseases are genetic too. Does God create someone to be a diabetic, or have heart problems, or end up with breast cancer? I don't think so, but sin has infected man to his very core, even his DNA.

Some don't see how deeply the principle of "sin" has twisted mankind from God's original design. When a gay person says,

"I was born this way! Ever since I was a child I felt this way. I can't help it."

They are really saying,

"I was born a sinner. Ever since I was a child I was a sinner. I can't help it."

There is no good thing in this twisted, rotten, stinking, evil flesh. Down to it's very DNA it's corrupt. Desperately wicked...that's why it must DIE. It's evil. The spirit inside is captive to it. And only the POWER of God can strengthen and save the spirit. Only the POWER of God can change a man or a woman...all the way down to their DNA.

When a gay person says, "I was born this way."

We need to say, "Amen, all men were born with sin friend. But Jesus can save your soul and set you free...but it's up to you to decide if you want to give Jesus a try. You may have been born this way...but he can heal you. After all, he loved you enough to die for you, even though you were born this way."

[Rico]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

Brother, I hear what you're saying. However, I believe science is eventually going to find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. Once that happens, Christians are going to be hard pressed to continue with the current line of thinking that it's just a choice someone makes. I believe for some homosexuals it can indeed be a choice they've made. There are others, however, who don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. There has to be some other reason than it's a choice they make. There are plenty of deviant behaviours people can be born with, other than homosexuality. Some believe that some murderers are pre-disposed to being killers because something in their brains doesn't function in the same way a normal brain functions. None of this changes the fact that murder is sin, or that homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God. They're simple products of the Fall of man.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

I don't believe someone is born gay in absolute terms but there are certainly people who are more predisposed to it out of the womb. Identical twin studies have born this out repeatedly.

But again, I highly doubt that people are BORN 100% gay.

[live4him]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I don't believe someone is born gay in absolute terms but there are certainly people who are more predisposed to it out of the womb. Identical twin studies have born this out repeatedly.

But again, I highly doubt that people are BORN 100% gay.

im sorry - can you explain it about identical twins, what are you saying, alot of twins are born to have that feeling