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Old 07-14-2008, 09:35 PM
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Re: Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

This subject is a tough one for me. First of all, I'm a non drinker. I drank one margurita in my life in my college days and that thing was so nasty I never took another drink. There is a history of alcoholic tendencies in my extended family and I think drinking alcohol is better left undone for me personally.

I do believe that wine in moderation is not a sin. If a person drinks it for health benefit or enjoyment and doesn't allow it to begin to rule in their life and take lordship of their life, why would I condemn that person.

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Christs first miracle was fermented wine. The jewish custom of that day was to drink fermented grape juice at weddings. Had the "wine" been grape juice one is hard pressed to explain why the jews present would have been so complimentary given that custom and their expectations.

The scripture that would prohibit me personally from drinking wine in public would be the one warning against offending a brother and causing him to stumble. I would worry that a weaker brother would see me partaking and possibly fall to a weakness of his own. Scripture is clear in warning against behavior that contributes to that. If I were to partake it would not be in a public setting due to that aspect.

Scripture deplores and is clear on the sinfulness of drunkeness, but a blanket condemnation of the responsible enjoyment of wine would contradict scripture.
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This subject is a tough one for me. First of all, I'm a non drinker. I drank one margurita in my life in my college days and that thing was so nasty I never took another drink. There is a history of alcoholic tendencies in my extended family and I think drinking alcohol is better left undone for me personally.

I do believe that wine in moderation is not a sin. If a person drinks it for health benefit or enjoyment and doesn't allow it to begin to rule in their life and take lordship of their life, why would I condemn that person.

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Christs first miracle was fermented wine. The jewish custom of that day was to drink fermented grape juice at weddings. Had the "wine" been grape juice one is hard pressed to explain why the jews present would have been so complimentary given that custom and their expectations.


The scripture that would prohibit me personally from drinking wine in public would be the one warning against offending a brother and causing him to stumble. I would worry that a weaker brother would see me partaking and possibly fall to a weakness of his own. Scripture is clear in warning against behavior that contributes to that. If I were to partake it would not be in a public setting do that fact.

Scripture deplores and is clear on the sinfulness of drunkeness, but a blanket condemnation of the responsible enjoyment of wine would contradict scripture.
Great post. If you cannot drink without sinning by all means DON'T drink.
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Great post. If you cannot drink without sinning by all means DON'T drink.
Not everyone knows thier limits right away... and once sucked in, it can be powerful and hard to climb back out.

That's where often we overlook the cry of wisdom in the church.
Not legalism,
Not rules,
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Not everyone knows thier limits right away... and once sucked in, it can be powerful and hard to climb back out.

That's where often we overlook the cry of wisdom in the church.
Not legalism,
Not rules,
Wisdom.
This applies to a lot of issues beyond alcohol. What right do we have of adding to or taking away from Scripture?! Just stick with the Book.
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This applies to a lot of issues beyond alcohol. What right do we have of adding to or taking away from Scripture?! Just stick with the Book.
Indeed it does.

I'm not adding or taking away, not sure who you're referring to.
I'm also not arguing. Just making some biblical statements and observations.
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Indeed it does.

I'm not adding or taking away, not sure who you're referring to.
I'm also not arguing. Just making some biblical statements and observations.
What I'm referring to is that we have a tendency to take positions that are not only weaker than what Scripture dictates but also stronger. If Scripture states something is permissible under certain guidelines who are we to place a heavier yoke?
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What I'm referring to is that we have a tendency to take positions that are not only weaker than what Scripture dictates but also stronger. If Scripture states something is permissible under certain guidelines who are we to place a heavier yoke?
I listened to Anthony Mangun's sermon at BOTT this year and while I didn't agree with some of his positions on traditions and things like that, I agreed with his point on that. He had a room full of both con's and lib's and basically told them to preach it as straight as they wanted too. He told them to preach against fresh air if they wanted to, but to remember those who added to we're going to be judged just like those who took away.

He said many were quick to measure those who took away but were slack on measuring those who added too. It got pretty quiet!
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What I'm referring to is that we have a tendency to take positions that are not only weaker than what Scripture dictates but also stronger. If Scripture states something is permissible under certain guidelines who are we to place a heavier yoke?
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