Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think it's amusing how we all revert to spiritual communism, issuing rules and regulations binding upon all, where the Bible makes no such laws.

This is where personal spiritual discipline comes into play. You know what you can do and what you can't. You know what God has convicted you to do based on what you need.

It's easier to set a law and demand it be obeyed. It takes away the need for prayer and sincere introspection. It takes away the fear of freedom. It also makes others beholden to another's convictions, because so often they cannot control themselves unless everyone has to play by the same rules God has spoken to them. Here's the deal...I feel it's lazy. lol

Some things are specifically mentioned in Scripture. These we must do. Other things are a matter of personal conviction. I do not believe a brother should drink or anything else around brethren who might be weak or stumble at it. Likewise, I don't believe the weaker brethren should judge another's meat or drink. We're grown adults led of the Holy Ghost.

Here's a good example. God has spoken to me clearly on this. God doesn't want me to own a firearm. He promised to withdraw his hand of protection should I buy one. But I know a wonderful brother with a collection of fine weapons. Do I judge him? No. I will share how passionate I am about my convictions. But I'd never attempt to force him to live by my convictions.

Now I might enjoy a nice brandy now and again. But guess what....my brother might have some strong convictions against that. Does he judge me? Prayerfully no. Prayerfully we pray for each other and maintain the bond of love in the midst of Christian liberty and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

O my LORD I know you are Joking right???
Tell me you are !!!!!!!




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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by StMark

O my LORD I know you are Joking right???
Tell me you are !!!!!!!

Bro....I'd take a small glass of fine brandy before bed over having a bad attitude any day. Besides, my doctor advised wine and permitted brandy over things like soda pop and tea. In moderation its actually good for you.

Here's a link:

http://www.nbc11.com/health/5535573/detail.html

But Bro. Mark...you know your limits. If God has convicted you about it...don't do it.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro....I'd take a small glass of fine brandy before bed over having a bad attitude any day. Besides, my doctor advised wine and permitted brandy over things like soda pop and tea. In moderation its actually good for you.

Here's a link:

http://www.nbc11.com/health/5535573/detail.html

I'm going to tell Bro Epley about this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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[jaxfam6]

I will just say this. Maybe most of you all better not come to my house. Many of you would be offended. I grew up in a non-drinking family. I have a brother who was killed because he and my cousin were out drinking and got in a car accident. Have another brother who is an alcoholic and will not touch the stuff now because he does not want to revert back to those days. ME? well I decided that I control what I do. I found nothing in the Bible against it and I spoke with many ministers on the subject and all of them said that the 'rule' is made because most can not control it. I decided that I would control it and I do. I use it in cooking, I drink a glass for pleasure, and I drink it with friends. Never get drunk that is not allowed. I do not drink and drive either.
So if you do not want to be offended at what you will see at my house better not come by. Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort, or glass with me feel free I got plenty to choose from.

Condemn me for for it if you must but remember that Jesus turned water to wine and it was really good stuff. He also drank it. I think he may have even drank enough to feel a little buzz from time to time but I do not think he ever let himself get drunk. So if you condemn me then you are also condemn Him.

If you can not control it then by all means do not drink it but for goodness sake do not get on your high horse and condemn others for enjoying it.

Same goes for gold, silver, jewels. etc.... God gave them to us to enjoy. If I can afford them I will buy them. If you can't then by all means do not go into debt for them.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort....

ok so what exactly are you snorting? is it at least the good stuff? if not, I've got a cousin in jail but he still has connections. he can hook u right up!


kidding aside, i'm thinking that as you draw closer to the Lord, you are supposed to lose your desire for these worldly "pleasures".

at the same time, living by a list of man-made rules is not God's intention either as we are indeed called to freedom.

don't you want to be holy? i've got a long ways to go, but i can see that the road ahead of me is a long one.

are "sipping saints" holy saints?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1399

ok so what exactly are you snorting? is it at least the good stuff? if not, I've got a cousin in jail but he still has connections. he can hook u right up!

kidding aside, i'm thinking that as you draw closer to the Lord, you are supposed to lose your desire for these worldly "pleasures".

at the same time, living by a list of man-made rules is not God's intention either as we are indeed called to freedom.

don't you want to be holy? i've got a long ways to go, but i can see that the road ahead of me is a long one.

are "sipping saints" holy saints?

Where does the Bible say we are to give up simple pleasures of life? We marry and enjoy pleasure. We eat and enjoy pleasure. We buy nice beds and air condition our church buildings. We have massaging shower nozzles. We use rinses, skin creams, and oils. My wife goes nuts at Bath & Body Works to pamper herself. Right now I'm enjoying a While Wheat English Muffin, light butter, orange marmalade, and a nice vanilla caramel tea. And let me tell you...it's all very nice.

The Bible condemns sinful pleasures but not all pleasures. Jesus regularly partook in wine. Was he holy?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I will just say this. Maybe most of you all better not come to my house. Many of you would be offended. I grew up in a non-drinking family. I have a brother who was killed because he and my cousin were out drinking and got in a car accident. Have another brother who is an alcoholic and will not touch the stuff now because he does not want to revert back to those days. ME? well I decided that I control what I do. I found nothing in the Bible against it and I spoke with many ministers on the subject and all of them said that the 'rule' is made because most can not control it. I decided that I would control it and I do. I use it in cooking, I drink a glass for pleasure, and I drink it with friends. Never get drunk that is not allowed. I do not drink and drive either.
So if you do not want to be offended at what you will see at my house better not come by. Now if you want to come enjoy a shot, snort, or glass with me feel free I got plenty to choose from.

Condemn me for for it if you must but remember that Jesus turned water to wine and it was really good stuff. He also drank it. I think he may have even drank enough to feel a little buzz from time to time but I do not think he ever let himself get drunk. So if you condemn me then you are also condemn Him.

If you can not control it then by all means do not drink it but for goodness sake do not get on your high horse and condemn others for enjoying it.

Same goes for gold, silver, jewels. etc.... God gave them to us to enjoy. If I can afford them I will buy them. If you can't then by all means do not go into debt for them.

Amen. The Bible requires sobriety and modesty. I stand firmly against drunkenness and immodesty. My wife wears a wedding band and that's all the jewelry we believe in. "Functional" is key for us when it comes to any kind of jewelry.