Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Your arguments rest entirely on the way you have interpreted a translation.

ESV
And now why do you wait?(A) Rise and be baptized and(B) wash away your sins,(C) calling on his name.'

(NLT)
What are you waiting for? Get up and be baptized. Have your sins washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.’

Amplified
And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

I'm not sure what you're trying not to prove but all of these translations link baptism and calling on the name of the Lord to a washing away of sins. Something that one steppers tell us happens at repentance.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not sure what you're trying not to prove but all of these translations link baptism and calling on the name of the Lord to a washing away of sins. Something that one steppers tell us happens at repentance.

Acts 22:16 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation


16And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and [a]by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

Footnotes:

Acts 22:16 Charles B. Williams, The New Testament: A Translation in the Language of the People: Circumstantial participle expressing manner or means.

The connection is between calling on the name of the Lord and the washing away of sins, not baptism.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Acts 22:16 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation


16And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and [a]by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

Footnotes:

Acts 22:16 Charles B. Williams, The New Testament: A Translation in the Language of the People: Circumstantial participle expressing manner or means.

The connection is between calling on the name of the Lord and the washing away of sins, not baptism.

I think we can agree that Paul repented on the Damascus road. He fasted for three days before Ananias came and laid hands on him to recieve his sight and the Holy Spirit. I find it hard to believe during those three days that Paul did not call on the name of the Lord once.

Now if Paul received remission of sins/washing away of sins upon faith or even upon repentance WHY did Ananias say "Rise and be baptized, and [a]by calling upon His name, wash away your sins."? I would say it was because the connection is calling on the name of the Lord IN water baptism to have our sins washed away.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I think we can agree that Paul repented on the Damascus road. He fasted for three days before Ananias came and laid hands on him to recieve his sight and the Holy Spirit. I find it hard to believe during those three days that Paul did not call on the name of the Lord once.

Now if Paul received remission of sins/washing away of sins upon faith or even upon repentance WHY did Ananias say "Rise and be baptized, and [a]by calling upon His name, wash away your sins."? I would say it was because the connection is calling on the name of the Lord IN water baptism to have our sins washed away.

I read the story again and I don't see that Paul did repent on the road. It certainly doesn't say that he did.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I read the story again and I don't see that Paul did repent on the road. It certainly doesn't say that he did.

Realy?

How about Paul's response to "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?


And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Paul went into the city as he was commanded of the Lord and fasted! His obedience and his fasting are signs of a repentant heart. But the immediate response of "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do" shows an change of heart along with the trembling and astonishment.

What do you expect from someone who repents?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Realy?

How about Paul's response to "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?


And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Paul went into the city as he was commanded of the Lord and fasted! His obedience and his fasting are signs of a repentant heart. But the immediate response of "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do" shows an change of heart along with the trembling and astonishment.

What do you expect from someone who repents?

Who denies that a repentant heart will show the fruit of faith ... Mizpeh ... we are not discussing the need to be baptized as a commandment or responding through faith... but rather this notion that baptism washes sin ...

Moreover, that it must have the proper articulations for it to be efficacious.

Keep your head in the game, please. No red herrings ... no no rabbit trails.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Who denies that a repentant heart will show the fruit of faith ... Mizpeh ... we are not discussing the need to be baptized as a commandment or responding through faith... but rather this notion that baptism washes sin ...

Moreover, that it must have the proper articulations for it to be efficacious.

Keep your head in the game, please. No red herrings ... no no rabbit trails.

Dan, I'm responding the Baron's comment that he did not think Paul/Saul repented on the Damascus road. My assertion is that Paul did repent on the Damascus road as evidenced by his reaction to Jesus and subsequent fasting. And because Paul repented, Ananias telling Paul to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" does not make sense IF, according to one steppers, Paul's sins were already remitted when he repented since there would be not further need of a "washing".

My head is in the game, Dan. It would be helpful if you had read the entire conversation I was having with the Baron before accusing me of throwing out red herrings and creating rabbit trails.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Realy?

How about Paul's response to "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?


And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Paul went into the city as he was commanded of the Lord and fasted! His obedience and his fasting are signs of a repentant heart. But the immediate response of "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do" shows an change of heart along with the trembling and astonishment.

What do you expect from someone who repents?

"to really know" LOL! per "onesteppers leading folks to christ thread" J/K

I agree Mizpeh these texts tear apart the mental model of faith only advocates. It doesn't work nor can it. Just like Acts 19 and Pauls question cannot fit into the mental model framework of faith only believers. Also it doesn't fit into with Abraham as he never came into covenant without a response to God of what to do thus was justified by faith(obediance).