The same thing can be said of your argument.
However when you consider that baptism was a command, & practiced by the Apostles, your bag of arguments starts to get wet!
It absolutely does not. Baptism is about obedience. Interpreting Scripture based on what it says rather than on what I want it to say is at least being honest with the text.
The facts are in my favor regardless of how strongly you believe your error.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
I would just like to say that I am FOR BAPTISM
Me to.
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It absolutely does not. Baptism is about obedience. Interpreting Scripture based on what it says rather than on what I want it to say is at least being honest with the text.
The facts are in my favor regardless of how strongly you believe your error.
Me to.
I appreciate the fact that you are for baptism too.
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It absolutely does not. Baptism is about obedience. Interpreting Scripture based on what it says rather than on what I want it to say is at least being honest with the text.
The facts are in my favor regardless of how strongly you believe your error.
Me to.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Notice, Baptism is part and parcel of that which saves us Dan!
OOPPS, Sorry Freudian slip perhaps.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Notice, Baptism is part and parcel of that which saves us Dan!
OOPPS, Sorry Freudian slip perhaps.
Do you not see the parenthetical? It practically screams not for washing away but on the contrary the answer of a good conscience toward God.
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And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
Do you not see the parenthetical? It practically screams not for washing away but on the contrary the answer of a good conscience toward God.
Amplified
And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
It screams yes, but it still saying the same thing.
It isn't washing me like I am taking a bath, but it is purging my conscience!
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Notice, Baptism is part and parcel of that which saves us Dan!
OOPPS, Sorry Freudian slip perhaps.
Ron, You are quoting the scripture I used to start the thread. Sam and a few others have tried to answer what I am asking.
It clearly states "baptism doth save us" but then it says that it DOES NOT WASH AWAY THE FILTHYNESS OF THE FLESH."
Is that a blood alone function?
Is the water only to "cleanse the conscience"?
It seems to me that this is the only way to interpet this verse, However doctrine must be on the whole of scripture.
Does my interpetation stand across the whole of the Bible? Sam, Ron, Bro. Eply, Ferd, Others?
Ron, You are quoting the scripture I used to start the thread. Sam and a few others have tried to answer what I am asking.
It clearly states "baptism doth save us" but then it says that it DOES NOT WASH AWAY THE FILTHYNESS OF THE FLESH."
Is that a blood alone function?
Is the water only to "cleanse the conscience"?
It seems to me that this is the only way to interpet this verse, However doctrine must be on the whole of scripture.
Does my interpetation stand across the whole of the Bible? Sam, Ron, Bro. Eply, Ferd, Others?
Please help me understand-----
It is all symblism of the reality of your baptism through faith in the D,B,R of Christ... The water is always the perfect symbol of cleansing action. (sorry Mr. Clean) Thus the faith in the working of God in baptism is seen as clearing or as Peter says a "answer of a good conscience" KJV or "but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," ESV
or in my personal amplified version "a faithful/good response toward God" Which is brought about by the conviction of the truth of Christ. Thus we respond by turning away(repenting which is faith) to the cross(baptism continued faith) and we identify with him by believing/trusting in the promised work of God(faith)
This would be in part a answer to or an appeal to the conviction/God's Word of our sins. Thus we are already past repentance and faith. As baptism is viewed as the result of the response to God's convicting power of Christ. Thus we through hearing answer the call with a good conscience in baptism. To be buried, identified and made alive with him. If baptism was not a part of salvation to receive forgiveness why the need for the appeal, or a answer unto God if the debt or the felt burden of sin has been satisfied beforehand. To see these words "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" are very direct meanings. If remission of sins is simply upon faith or repentance then this scripture means nothing. As you cannot answer or appeal to receive nothing espcially when the corresponding thought is "now saves you"
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