Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Absolutely am.. .firmly believe in the Apostles Doctrine.... believe in one God.. baptize in Jesus Name.. filled with the Holy Ghost, have the gifts of the Spirit,,. been married one time... live a life of seperation...... so there ya go

Ok, good to hear and God bless.

I don't read any scriptures in the NT that says HOW one should preach; but I do notice that sometimes when preachers preach, different things happen. Sometimes they get emotional, sometimes they get very expressive with their gestures. I wonder why that is?

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Ok, good to hear and God bless.

I don't read any scriptures in the NT that says HOW one should preach; but I do notice that sometimes when preachers preach, different things happen. Sometimes they get emotional, sometimes they get very expressive with their gestures. I wonder why that is?

Actually we have scriptural precedence for preaching styles,,, Paul was more of a teacher Phillip was evangelistic.. Timothy preached Pastorally.... so preaching style has merely to do with ones background and none of those styles are condemned so long as the Word is being preached

Would you care to respond to the whole Pentecostal DRUNK deception.. about this meaning people were shouting everywhere?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Actually we have scriptural precedence for preaching styles,,, Paul was more of a teacher Phillip was evangelistic.. Timothy preached Pastorally.... so preaching style has merely to do with ones background and none of those styles are condemned so long as the Word is being preached

Would you care to respond to the whole Pentecostal DRUNK deception.. about this meaning people were shouting everywhere?

Well I'm not aware of the whole "Pentecostal DRUNK deception" - don't know what that is.

What I do know is this:

- the observers thought that the 120 were drunk
- it was noised abroad
- they were not drunk as THEY SUPPOSED

I will agree that there is no scripture that says they were shouting, but it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't. Acts 8 doesn't say they spoke in tongues, but most if not all apostolics believe that they did - it just wasn't written.

Strong's - "Noised" - Probably akin to G5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate, bestial or artificial); by implication an address (for any purpose), saying or language: - noise, sound, voice.

Whatever was "noised abroad" was loud enough to cause a multitude outside of the upper room to come together and observe what was going on. Either the upper room was big enough to hold all 120 + the multitude or they spilled outside of the upper room.

After Peter preached it said that the same day were added 3000 souls - that's a lot of people. However many people were in the original multitude that heard Peter's preaching and gladly rec'd his word and were baptized, it lead to 3,000 being added to the church in one day.

Believe what you want to, but I will not hinder or mock at someone who is shouting unto the Lord in a known tongue or in an unknown tongue, in control of their own tongue, or willing submitting their tongue to the Spirit of God for the Spirit of God to do with it whatever He wishes.

Me personally, I couldn't point to another apostolic in a church service and say - that's not God, but rather they are possessed and being involuntarily controlled by a devil; but perhaps someone else sees or knows something that I don't.

My personal opinion is that someone who is filled with the Spirit of God and has not left themselves swept, garnished, but EMPTY cannot be unwillingly and unknowingly possessed with a devil without committing sin; and even then I believe in a space given to repent first.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Well I'm not aware of the whole "Pentecostal DRUNK deception" - don't know what that is.

What I do know is this:

- the observers thought that the 120 were drunk
- it was noised abroad
- they were not drunk as THEY SUPPOSED

I will agree that there is no scripture that says they were shouting, but it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't. Acts 8 doesn't say they spoke in tongues, but most if not all apostolics believe that they did - it just wasn't written.

Strong's - "Noised" - Probably akin to G5316 through the idea of disclosure; a tone (articulate, bestial or artificial); by implication an address (for any purpose), saying or language: - noise, sound, voice.

Whatever was "noised abroad" was loud enough to cause a multitude outside of the upper room to come together and observe what was going on. Either the upper room was big enough to hold all 120 + the multitude or they spilled outside of the upper room.

After Peter preached it said that the same day were added 3000 souls - that's a lot of people. However many people were in the original multitude that heard Peter's preaching and gladly rec'd his word and were baptized, it lead to 3,000 being added to the church in one day.

Believe what you want to, but I will not hinder or mock at someone who is shouting unto the Lord in a known tongue or in an unknown tongue, in control of their own tongue, or willing submitting their tongue to the Spirit of God for the Spirit of God to do with it whatever He wishes.

Me personally, I couldn't point to another apostolic in a church service and say - that's not God, but rather they are possessed and being involuntarily controlled by a devil; but perhaps someone else sees or knows something that I don't.

My personal opinion is that someone who is filled with the Spirit of God and has not left themselves swept, garnished, but EMPTY cannot be unwillingly and unknowingly possessed with a devil without committing sin.

(2Sa 6:14) And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

(Psa 149:3) Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

(Ps 150:4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

(Ecc 3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Rev

(2Sa 6:14) And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

(Psa 149:3) Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

(Ps 150:4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

(Ecc 3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

(Lu 6:23) Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Rev

(2Sa 6:14) And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

(Psa 149:3) Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

(Ps 150:4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

(Ecc 3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Originally Posted by Rev

(2Sa 6:14) And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

(Psa 149:3) Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

(Ps 150:4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

(Ecc 3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Do you not understand the difference between the dancing of scriptures and the shouting of Pentecostals?

Go to Jerusalem, you will see... you would actually not be impressed probably... would remind you NOTHING of SHOUTING

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Do you not understand the difference between the dancing of scriptures and the shouting of Pentecostals?

Go to Jerusalem, you will see... you would actually not be impressed probably... would remind you NOTHING of SHOUTING

I have been told by friends who have visited Orthodox Jewish services and they told me they danced and rolled in the floor and were very franic in their worship. They said it reminded them of Pentecostal services.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have been told by friends who have visited Orthodox Jewish services and they told me they danced and rolled in the floor and were very franic in their worship. They said it reminded them of Pentecostal services.

Bro. Epley, we go twice a year and have never seen anything like you desribed.. their dances are very choreographed.. very drama oriented.... yes it is very intense such as Davids but it is nothing like we see in Pentecost.. they are in control of their faculties at all times

[Steve Epley]

Let me see if I understand? The multitude hearing and seeing them supposed they were drunk on new wine because folks drunk on new wine speak other languages? Evidently they appeared drunk to the onlookers that were present however you NOT being there understand better than those who were there?
I understand I guess well maybe not?