The "Not Drunk" deception

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You're funny. You're parallel in equating emotional worship w/ mass murder is odd.

But you'll preach where there are these fleshly displays ...

Will you do so where people are literally massacring others?

[quote=Dr. Vaughn;536226]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all we don't say we should ACT drunk.


Pentecostals don't say this was a reference to their worship. They say it was a reference to the effect of the Spirit on them.

MY RESPONSE: Wrong.. go to campmeeting or Sunday night service right in the middle of the pandamoneum with a few folks in the floor some do the head bang and watch a preacher grab the MIC "THESE ARE NOT DRUNK AS YE SUPPOSE' now tell me again the Pentecostal don't reference this in their worship... even you know better

Again that is the effect of the Spirit ON those people. Worship is us going upward. In the case you are saying they are talking about people being affected by the Spirit. Second my point is NOT all Pentecostals would say this. That is a sweeping Generalization

Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God." <--That is PRAISE

TELLING IS PRAISE????????? Pray tell... lets read it again.... the purpose of this outpouring was evangelization, even you cant argue with that... so if we have a purpose of Evangalization... and we have people TELLING about GOD ... NOW REMEMBER.. I thought PRAISE & WORSHIP was TO GOD.... but these folks are telling folks ABOUT GOD...... so would you mind once again telling us HOW you get PRAISE OUT OF THIS?

YES! Telling others about God's mighty works is PRAISE.

Second they were NOT telling the others, they were just telling or saying or speaking in tongues about the Mighty works of God...yes if I say "God is awesome, He is the creator of all things" That is praise!

Act 2:11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking the great things of God in our own languages.

They were praising God in tongues

[B_Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

My point exactly.... more like a hundred time... but I am being told in another thread "Why did Peter say these are not drunk" if there was no shouting going on.. so I tell the poster.. we've already established the fact.. it did not happen like that.. they say we never established the fact.. so Im re-establishing

It was actually St.Mark who says.... we never proved anything.. just my opinions... so I thought we would try again to see if this is just my opinion or if it is not the clear teaching of the Context

It is clearly your opinion, but any post more than 5 feet long, I avoid! So I didn't read the previous one, but if I remember correctly, in the other thread I only asked you to explain it, not to prove if that meant there was shouting going on! And I will not dispute with you if you say that the Bible says that they were not acting drunk becuase thats going against scripture!

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sweeping Generalization again by the "Dr". You'd think with his education he would know better.

Dr. Nobody knows HOW they were behaving other than the tongues. You can't say they weren't laughing. You can't say any of them were not rejoicing. You just don't know

I know one thing.. I'm not gonna start a Pentecostal denomination out of what I dont know happened and say it did happen to give my movement some type of credence.. now THATs what I do know.. you guys always argue that you cant debate from SILENCE and here you go,, doing the very thing you vehmetly oppose

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's amazing. This man will moan later on how he never said anything to us or about us and then when the people here reciprocate to his posting style he just complains.

That she was jealous, if that is the case (ironic considering that David had several wives and concubines) is irrelevant. He was worshiping the LORD by dancing...something you call just emotionalism and ridicule Pentecostals over

but NOTHING LIKE SHOUTING AND JERKING AND SQUEALING... go to Jerusalem.. i go twice a year... you will see their dancing is very controlled it looks NOTHING LIKE PENTECOST... and yet you try to lay claim to David to endorse your out of control jerking and squealing... it just wont work

[B_Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

but NOTHING LIKE SHOUTING AND JERKING AND SQUEALING... go to Jerusalem.. i go twice a year... you will see their dancing is very controlled it looks NOTHING LIKE PENTECOST... and yet you try to lay claim to David to endorse your out of control jerking and squealing... it just wont work

And God turned his back on the Jews, yet you use them as an example?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I know one thing.. I'm not gonna start a Pentecostal denomination out of what I dont know happened and say it did happen to give my movement some type of credence.. now THATs what I do know.. you guys always argue that you cant debate from SILENCE and here you go,, doing the very thing you vehmetly oppose

Pentecost was not started based on that. It was started based on what was written about the outpouring and tongues. I was not making an argument from silence. I was pointing out YOU keep making assertions that the text does not support

Originally Posted by B_Kendrick

And God turned his back on the Jews, yet you use them as an example?

You got to be kidding... he turned his back on the Jews? Study prophecy he is anxiously WAITING for the JEWS.... he temporarily for the gentiles sake did what he had to do.. but his heart longs for the Jews.. and they will soon turn to him

In the meantime... they were the original worshippers that he adored.. so yeah.. I'm pretty confident in that

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

but NOTHING LIKE SHOUTING AND JERKING AND SQUEALING... go to Jerusalem.. i go twice a year... you will see their dancing is very controlled it looks NOTHING LIKE PENTECOST... and yet you try to lay claim to David to endorse your out of control jerking and squealing... it just wont work

I don't know anything about squealing. Another Sweeping Generalization. BTW I have seen Jews dance and I have seen them rocking back and forth and walking like ducks at the wailing wall.

SHOUT UNTO THE LORD WITH THE VOICE OF TRUIMPH!

REJOICE IN THE LORD. AGAIN I SAY REJOICE.

BTW does anyone else notice the Dr attempt again to slander us as pigs? Squealing?

Also the Dr puts words in my mouth. I did not claim David did anything but dance. Is this the best you can do sir? OINK! You ever tell your family they are pigs?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Pentecost was not started based on that. It was started based on what was written about the outpouring and tongues. I was not making an argument from silence. I was pointing out YOU keep making assertions that the text does not support

Such as?

What did I say that the TEXT DOES NOT SUPPORT?

give me the list....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Such as?

What did I say that the TEXT DOES NOT SUPPORT?

give me the list....

You are asserting they did NOT do anything other than speak in tongues. No dancing, laughing, jumping etc etc..nothing that supposedly happens in all Pentecostal services and we ALL preach.

OINK!