Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

Originally Posted by Rev

(2Sa 6:14) And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

(Psa 149:3) Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.

(Ps 150:4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

(Ecc 3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Do you not understand the difference between the dancing of scriptures and the shouting of Pentecostals?

Go to Jerusalem, you will see... you would actually not be impressed probably... would remind you NOTHING of SHOUTING

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Do you not understand the difference between the dancing of scriptures and the shouting of Pentecostals?

Go to Jerusalem, you will see... you would actually not be impressed probably... would remind you NOTHING of SHOUTING

I have been told by friends who have visited Orthodox Jewish services and they told me they danced and rolled in the floor and were very franic in their worship. They said it reminded them of Pentecostal services.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have been told by friends who have visited Orthodox Jewish services and they told me they danced and rolled in the floor and were very franic in their worship. They said it reminded them of Pentecostal services.

Bro. Epley, we go twice a year and have never seen anything like you desribed.. their dances are very choreographed.. very drama oriented.... yes it is very intense such as Davids but it is nothing like we see in Pentecost.. they are in control of their faculties at all times

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Bro. Epley, we go twice a year and have never seen anything like you desribed.. their dances are very choreographed.. very drama oriented.... yes it is very intense such as Davids but it is nothing like we see in Pentecost.. they are in control of their faculties at all times

This was in South Florida among the Hasid sect.

[Steve Epley]

Let me see if I understand? The multitude hearing and seeing them supposed they were drunk on new wine because folks drunk on new wine speak other languages? Evidently they appeared drunk to the onlookers that were present however you NOT being there understand better than those who were there?
I understand I guess well maybe not?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Let me see if I understand? The multitude hearing and seeing them supposed they were drunk on new wine because folks drunk on new wine speak other languages? Evidently they appeared drunk to the onlookers that were present however you NOT being there understand better than those who were there?
I understand I guess well maybe not?

Elder I simply presented the scriptures in Chronological order.... and pointed out that the entire question about being drunk had nothing to do with worship it was strictly concerning tongues....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Elder I simply presented the scriptures in Chronological order.... and pointed out that the entire question about being drunk had nothing to do with worship it was strictly concerning tongues....

Sorry NO prize. I understood what you said but it was wrong. You claim we base our demonstative worship on assumption and I declare you base you argument on asummptions having to be read INTO the text. The text itself is clear. The onlookers thought they were drunk on new wine not linquists but drunkards. Again Peter said it was BOTH seen and heard v.33.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry NO prize. I understood what you said but it was wrong. You claim we base our demonstative worship on assumption and I declare you base you argument on asummptions having to be read INTO the text. The text itself is clear. The onlookers thought they were drunk on new wine not linquists but drunkards. Again Peter said it was BOTH seen and heard v.33.

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

They marvelled not at their worship Elder,, they marvelled at Galilaens speaking in their own languages which they KNEW the Galileans did not know.. and at this amazement,, NOTHING MORE ELDER,, they asked.. HOW ARE THEY DOING THIS.. is this some sort of NEW WINE giving them this ability?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

They marvelled not at their worship Elder,, they marvelled at Galilaens speaking in their own languages which they KNEW the Galileans did not know.. and at this amazement,, NOTHING MORE ELDER,, they asked.. HOW ARE THEY DOING THIS.. is this some sort of NEW WINE giving them this ability?

YOU are saying nothing more the text is NOT saying that. Folks were SEEING something also. v.33

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry NO prize. I understood what you said but it was wrong. You claim we base our demonstative worship on assumption and I declare you base you argument on asummptions having to be read INTO the text. The text itself is clear. The onlookers thought they were drunk on new wine not linquists but drunkards. Again Peter said it was BOTH seen and heard v.33.

Very good point elder.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

If was NOT just what they heard - it was ALSO what they saw. Not one BOTH.

If one claims it was just what they HEARD after reading the scripture above, then they are willfully ignoring what the word of God says.

God's word is truth - Let God be true and every man a liar.