I had a good friend that moved from Nashville to Florida a few years ago. He is an anesthesiologist, and his family has been looking for a good Apostolic church. He was raised Apostolic and attended Christ Church while in Nashville.
He called me a few days ago and told me that they found an Apostolic church that runs about 300-400 people. The church is not UPC and from what he explained to me, is ultra-con.
They really enjoy the services, and his children are getting involved and have made some good friends there.
The problem is that his wife wears pants and see nothings wrong with it at all. He hopes that someone doesn't approach his wife about it, because she is very strong in her opinion about it! She wears dresses to church, but that is the only time she does. It hasn't become an issue yet, but he feels that soon it may be an issue. He called to ask what he should do!
What would you tell him?
My perspective has always been that if you are going to attend one of those churches it is best to comply with what is preached and taught. Many of the people who hold to these distinctives view them as salvational and even as qualifiers for fellowship.
If this friend has daughters...there is the problem for sure. Will they follow mom's example or will they find themselves in the position to condemn mom as well?
If they follow mom's example, it will only be a matter of time before they too are isolated from the rest of the obeying saints...they will not be used in the church and may even find it difficult to maintain friendships among the youth.
Beyond this, if the standards of dress are preached as biblical prerequisites...then how much confusion is being sown into the heart of these children even if they are not girls? I have never liked the idea of someone sitting under a pastor that preaches these things and deliberately living another life away from the church.
Your friend's family needs to comply or find another church...My Opinion Of Course (MOOC)....
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
My perspective has always been that if you are going to attend one of those churches it is best to comply with what is preached and taught. Many of the people who hold to these distinctives view them as salvational and even as qualifiers for fellowship.
If this friend has daughters...there is the problem for sure. Will they follow mom's example or will they find themselves in the position to condemn mom as well?
If they follow mom's example, it will only be a matter of time before they too are isolated from the rest of the obeying saints...they will not be used in the church and may even find it difficult to maintain friendships among the youth.
Beyond this, if the standards of dress are preached as biblical prerequisites...then how much confusion is being sown into the heart of these children even if they are not girls? I have never liked the idea of someone sitting under a pastor that preaches these things and deliberately living another life away from the church.
Your friend's family needs to comply or find another church...My Opinion Of Course (MOOC)....
Very wise! Great points!
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My perspective has always been that if you are going to attend one of those churches it is best to comply with what is preached and taught. Many of the people who hold to these distinctives view them as salvational and even as qualifiers for fellowship.
If this friend has daughters...there is the problem for sure. Will they follow mom's example or will they find themselves in the position to condemn mom as well?
If they follow mom's example, it will only be a matter of time before they too are isolated from the rest of the obeying saints...they will not be used in the church and may even find it difficult to maintain friendships among the youth.
Beyond this, if the standards of dress are preached as biblical prerequisites...then how much confusion is being sown into the heart of these children even if they are not girls? I have never liked the idea of ssomeone sitting under a pastor that preaches these things and deliberately living another life away from the church.
Your friend's family needs to comply or find another church...My Opinion Of Course (MOOC)....
While I agree with you, I did not say that to him. I did talk with him about being fine with being a second class member of the church, because he can never be used. He loves the worship and music of the church.
He did ask me to pray for him that God would open a door at a hospital back in the middle Tennessee area. He was told of an opening at the hospital in Tullahoma, TN.
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Change Churches, Get out while you can and spare your children all the drama. They are the ones that will end up hurt and disapointed when she is told that she has to obey the rules and is left out of everything.
My perspective has always been that if you are going to attend one of those churches it is best to comply with what is preached and taught. Many of the people who hold to these distinctives view them as salvational and even as qualifiers for fellowship.
If this friend has daughters...there is the problem for sure. Will they follow mom's example or will they find themselves in the position to condemn mom as well?
If they follow mom's example, it will only be a matter of time before they too are isolated from the rest of the obeying saints...they will not be used in the church and may even find it difficult to maintain friendships among the youth.
Beyond this, if the standards of dress are preached as biblical prerequisites...then how much confusion is being sown into the heart of these children even if they are not girls? I have never liked the idea of someone sitting under a pastor that preaches these things and deliberately living another life away from the church.
Your friend's family needs to comply or find another church...My Opinion Of Course (MOOC)....
You have nailed my primary concern. These kids will be confused for sure.
heart to heart with the pastor, might mitigate to some degree, but regardless, these kids will hear vastly different things from home and church and most of the time that leads kids to reject both.
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While I agree with you, I did not say that to him. I did talk with him about being fine with being a second class member of the church, because he can never be used. He loves the worship and music of the church.
He did ask me to pray for him that God would open a door at a hospital back in the middle Tennessee area. He was told of an opening at the hospital in Tullahoma, TN.
While I agree with you, I did not say that to him. I did talk with him about being fine with being a second class member of the church, because he can never be used. He loves the worship and music of the church.
He did ask me to pray for him that God would open a door at a hospital back in the middle Tennessee area. He was told of an opening at the hospital in Tullahoma, TN.
You should say it to him...IMO. The fact is real that this stuff is very important to those sitting under that pastor...and your friends kids are going to get caught in the middle...
How are they going to respond when other young people are gossipping about that liberal pentecostal girl across town who is backslid wearing her pants...and they know their momma fits that category?
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
You have nailed my primary concern. These kids will be confused for sure.
heart to heart with the pastor, might mitigate to some degree, but regardless, these kids will hear vastly different things from home and church and most of the time that leads kids to reject both.
Amen!
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
He called me a few days ago and told me that they found an Apostolic church that runs about 300-400 people. The church is not UPC and from what he explained to me, is ultra-con.
Where on earth would that be? Runs 300- 400 independent in Florida and ultra-con?
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