Pre-Service Prayer in Apostolic Churches?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's a constant problem that I've run into. To be honest, it really makes it hard to pray when you've got someone going around scolding people for not being as "spiritual" as they are.

So does that mean when the Pastor says its time to pray or worship or whatever that we just kinda sit back and say to ourselves - do I feel like doing that right now?

I wonder why the bible tells us to obey those that have the rule over us?

Are there rulers in God's kingdom? The bible says so...

Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.

God's kingdom needs leaders who lead and obedient, submissive saints who follow. I wonder how a shepherd dealt with sheep who didn't want to obey him? Perhaps that is why a shepherd has a rod and a staff.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

So does that mean when the Pastor says its time to pray or worship or whatever that we just kinda sit back and say to ourselves - do I feel like doing that right now?

I wonder why the bible tells us to obey those that have the rule over us?

Are there rulers in God's kingdom? The bible says so...

Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness.

God's kingdom needs leaders who lead and obedient, submissive saints who follow. I wonder how a shepherd dealt with sheep who didn't want to obey him? Perhaps that is why a shepherd has a rod and a staff.

you just changed the issue from the Pastor making something MANDATORY and to questioning what our response should be. Two totally different issues.

Additionally the "rulers" in this context are leaders, not dictators. They lead, they are not generals barking orders to subjugates.

In fact no particular office is mentioned...somehow in the minds of some this means a pastor has absolute dictatorial authority in the local church.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

you just changed the issue from the Pastor making something MANDATORY and to questioning what our response should be. Two totally different issues.

Additionally the "rulers" in this context are leaders, not dictators. They lead, they are not generals barking orders to subjugates.

In fact no particular office is mentioned...somehow in the minds of some this means a pastor has absolute dictatorial authority in the local church.

That's because I was responding to the following post...

Originally Posted by pelathais
That's a constant problem that I've run into. To be honest, it really makes it hard to pray when you've got someone going around scolding people for not being as "spiritual" as they are.

Notice that his post was about a "person" going around scolding people; hence my response about RESPONDING.

Hope that clarifies my response to him for you.