What Would You Say?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

That was given to the Apostles.. and to Paul...

This raises the question - why did Jesus give his future church leaders the ability to bind/loose some new things that he would also bind/loose in heaven?

Could it be that issues would arise that is not covered by the established word directly? If issues could arise in the early church and the leadership then could make binding decisions, is it so hard to believe that other new issues could arise up after the early church that would require church leadership to make binding decisions?

Remember that Jesus told THEM - men - that THEY would bind/loose some things and that in response to THEM binding/loosing some things on earth, that he would also bind/loose them in heaven.

He didn't say to them, I will first bind/loose them in heaven and then tell you about them so that you can bind/loose them on earth.

And in fact we have a very practical example in the book of Acts where an issue came up and the leadership met, discussed, and made more decisions than the original issue, and communicated them to all the gentile churches to be obeyed. The word even says that these rules were ORDAINED by the apostles and elders. And they wrote that what they decided seemed good to the Holy Ghost. Leadership made some binding decisions that God by His Spirit in men indicated that He was behind the decisions. Direct practical example of Matt 18.

The OT is full of examples where leaders made decisions about taking actions that were not written in the word of God, but the others were expected to follow and obey.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

This raises the question - why did Jesus give his future church leaders the ability to bind/loose some new things that he would also bind/loose in heaven?

Could it be that issues would arise that is not covered by the established word directly? If issues could arise in the early church and the leadership then could make binding decisions, is it so hard to believe that other new issues could arise up after the early church that would require church leadership to make binding decisions?

Remember that Jesus told THEM - men - that THEY would bind/loose some things and that in response to THEM binding/loosing some things on earth, that he would also bind/loose them in heaven.

He didn't say to them, I will first bind/loose them in heaven and then tell you about them so that you can bind/loose them on earth.

And in fact we have a very practical example in the book of Acts where an issue came up and the leadership met, discussed, and made more decisions than the original issue, and communicated them to all the gentile churches to be obeyed. The word even says that these rules were ORDAINED by the apostles and elders. And they wrote that what they decided seemed good to the Holy Ghost. Leadership made some binding decisions that God by His Spirit in men indicated that He was behind the decisions. Direct practical example of Matt 18.

The OT is full of examples where leaders made decisions about taking actions that were not written in the word of God, but the others were expected to follow and obey.

Well all the binding and loosing in the last 2,000 years still hasn't landed us a RULE against facial hair in the UPC manual, are you bringing it to the floor at GC???