Polygamy in the Bible

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Dora

We are all one in Christ.

Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Can't believe Jesus was "for polygamy." Polygamy places women in the place of a slave. How can this practice line up with the teachings of Christ - i.e. love your neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you would have done to you, etc.??? In Christ, we are elevated to equal value - no longer subjected to the OT laws and customs. Each and every human being is highly valued in the eyes of God.

That sounds great .. and I agree monogamy is the ideal just looking at history.

But no, when it comes to polygamy Christ never taught against it, it was never forbidden in the NT except for leadership. And the OT took it as a normal part of society.

And it doesnt matter if it conflicts with your personal Jesus or the bible. its there and you gotta love it or not... because its as far away as your nearest bible in the house.

It hurts your conscience because it seems to go against your view of feminine roles in modern society.. i understand that. But once again single females with the ability to work a self determined job, or have financial independence is a fairly new thing that is less than 80 years old out of nearly 7,000 years of human history.

I can understand how this feels like a kick to the teeth for a moderate/liberal lady with a strong self image.. but in this case the scriptures say what they say... and they don't say what you want them to say on this particular issue.

[Tyk]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

That sounds great .. and I agree monogamy is the ideal just looking at history.

But no, when it comes to polygamy Christ never taught against it, it was never forbidden in the NT except for leadership. And the OT took it as a normal part of society.

And it doesnt matter if it conflicts with your personal Jesus or the bible. its there and you gotta love it or not... because its as far away as your nearest bible in the house.

It hurts your conscience because it seems to go against your view of feminine roles in modern society.. i understand that. But once again single females with the ability to work a self determined job, or have financial independence is a fairly new thing that is less than 80 years old out of nearly 7,000 years of human history.

I can understand how this feels like a kick to the teeth for a moderate/liberal lady with a strong self image.. but in this case the scriptures say what they say... and they don't say what you want them to say on this particular issue.

Probably one of the better post so far. I definitely am a one woman man. I want to love her and her alone. I have no desire to be with any other woman, and fight or flee any temptation mental, physical, ect. I can not phathom having more than one wife, and wouldn't feel right in doing so.

Scriptural approach though, I can't condemn or tell anyone that is in Polygamy that they are "wrong", in "sin" , or "lost" other than a minister.

There's just not a basis for it. I happen to be a male, if I was female (due to society and conditioning of the present times) this would hurt me to hear in a way. It would make me feel less important or like a second rate being to a male. I understand that, and I'm sorry, I can't find reason/scripture to disprove it or I would. I would rather monogamy be the only and right choice according to God, but it's not about my ways.

Lastly , to remind you - I care nothing for monogamy and find it disturbing in a sense, but i'm sure that's due to my "conditioning and present time mentality". I would discourage it if someone came seeking advice or guidance, but I could not tell them it was going to cause them to miss heaven.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

That sounds great .. and I agree monogamy is the ideal just looking at history.

But no, when it comes to polygamy Christ never taught against it, it was never forbidden in the NT except for leadership. And the OT took it as a normal part of society.

And it doesnt matter if it conflicts with your personal Jesus or the bible. its there and you gotta love it or not... because its as far away as your nearest bible in the house.

It hurts your conscience because it seems to go against your view of feminine roles in modern society.. i understand that. But once again single females with the ability to work a self determined job, or have financial independence is a fairly new thing that is less than 80 years old out of nearly 7,000 years of human history.

I can understand how this feels like a kick to the teeth for a moderate/liberal lady with a strong self image.. but in this case the scriptures say what they say... and they don't say what you want them to say on this particular issue.

Christ did teach against it.

Mt 19.3-12

BTW 6000 years of human history

Christ elevated women to the place he intended for them since the beginning.

John chapter eight gives us a picture of how men thought they can condemn women for committing adultery but give men a wink. They can condemn one but not bring the other caught in the very act. This shows that Christ tolerated mans sin as an act of mercy and compassion. No one was given what they actually deserved. Mercy= not receiving just penalty for crimes committed. Grace= receiving what we don't deserve.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

Christ did teach against it.

Mt 19.3-12

BTW 6000 years of human history

Christ elevated women to the place he intended for them since the beginning.

John chapter eight gives us a picture of how men thought they can condemn women for committing adultery but give men a wink. They can condemn one but not bring the other caught in the very act. This shows that Christ tolerated mans sin as an act of mercy and compassion. No one was given what they actually deserved. Mercy= not receiving just penalty for crimes committed. Grace= receiving what we don't deserve.

AMEN

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

Christ did teach against it.

Mt 19.3-12

BTW 6000 years of human history

Christ elevated women to the place he intended for them since the beginning.

John chapter eight gives us a picture of how men thought they can condemn women for committing adultery but give men a wink. They can condemn one but not bring the other caught in the very act. This shows that Christ tolerated mans sin as an act of mercy and compassion. No one was given what they actually deserved. Mercy= not receiving just penalty for crimes committed. Grace= receiving what we don't deserve.

Don't see where polygamy is banned by Christ or its declared morally sinful.

Try again

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=19&version=9

[Pastor DTSalaz]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

Don't see where polygamy is banned by Christ or its declared morally sinful.

Try again

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=19&version=9

It is in Gods original intent for man. Because God tolerates sin does not make it OK. He is longsuffering not willing that any should perish.

I just began reading this post and am surprised, floored, disgusted at what some posters are writing. This is supposed to be men of God writing these things. All men ought to be men of God not referring only to what we traditionally call men of God. Pastors, ministers, leaders, the five fold ministry. I certainly hope this is not an indicator of where mens hearts lie. From the abundance of the heart. I hope it is just in discussing this post that we become so open. This certainly seems like some people are looking for some kind of justification of where they are at or where they wish they could be.

Thank God for the Holy Ghost that will lead us away from the lusts of the flesh.

Only on for a little while but will post a few more comments on Monday

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me.

Be blessed
Pastor DT Salaz

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

It is in Gods original intent for man. Because God tolerates sin does not make it OK. He is longsuffering not willing that any should perish.

I just began reading this post and am surprised, floored, disgusted at what some posters are writing. This is supposed to be men of God writing these things. All men ought to be men of God not referring only to what we traditionally call men of God. Pastors, ministers, leaders, the five fold ministry. I certainly hope this is not an indicator of where mens hearts lie. From the abundance of the heart. I hope it is just in discussing this post that we become so open. This certainly seems like some people are looking for some kind of justification of where they are at or where they wish they could be.

Thank God for the Holy Ghost that will lead us away from the lusts of the flesh.

Only on for a little while but will post a few more comments on Monday

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me.

Be blessed
Pastor DT Salaz

Your saying the act of biblical polygamy is sinful when the scriptures don't say it is. Don't see why your disgusted or repulsed. Its illegal in America, and we follow the laws of the land, but other than that its not a moral issue using straight scripture, its a cultural issue.

Seriously if your gonna say its "sin" then show where its banned other than in church leadership.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

Your saying the act of biblical polygamy is sinful when the scriptures don't say it is. Don't see why your disgusted or repulsed. Its illegal in America, and we follow the laws of the land, but other than that its not a moral issue using straight scripture, its a cultural issue.

Seriously if your gonna say its "sin" then show where its banned other than in church leadership.

So are you prepared to say Polyandry is a moral issue and forbidden under New Testament, while polygamy is not?

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So are you prepared to say Polyandry is a moral issue and forbidden under New Testament, while polygamy is not?

I'm sorry but the first thing that comes to mind is Wife Swap....

Hey I really enjoyed watching you and your wife, you both carried yourself very well. I did laugh when the gal took your baby crib outside....

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So are you prepared to say Polyandry is a moral issue and forbidden under New Testament, while polygamy is not?

I believe that the issue is "covenant" or "social contract". The marriage covenant protects rights and entitlements of those under said contract. So under polygamy women have rights and entitlements. But with polyandry it's just "free love" and there are no rights or entitlements. There isn't any secure institution for the raising of children. Polyandry has always been morally wrong. God blessed polygamous men and families.

Now, shift to the New Testament. Paul clearly upholds monogamy. All of his statements are presuppositional. Why? Because the only legal marriage in the Roman empire was monogamy. In Paul's mind....polygamous marriages were not legal and therefore not valid. So Paul addresses marriage in a monogamous context. Like Paul, we are in a culture where polygamy isn't accepted. Also polygamy isn't necessary. So we by all means should continue embrace monogamous marriage and value it like Paul did. But notice....Paul never condemns polygamy as sin. Paul never warns us that men like Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, and others were evil men with vile marriages not to be emulated. Paul never calls into question God's giving David his multiple wives. Paul assails monogamy...but he doesn't condemn polygamy.