No Thanks, I Will Stay Old Time Pentecost

[Steve Epley]

The funny thing is Old Paths was never in the UPC his father who was pioneer preacher in Tn. was never in the UPC he nor his wife has UPC roots so 1945 means nothing to alot of us. I never was in the UPC and never had the desrie to be in the UPC and I am not bashing the UPC just a total different background.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The funny thing is Old Paths was never in the UPC his father who was pioneer preacher in Tn. was never in the UPC he nor his wife has UPC roots so 1945 means nothing to alot of us. I never was in the UPC and never had the desrie to be in the UPC and I am not bashing the UPC just a total different background.

Absolutely CORRECT.

Some folks around don't even know there's another whole world of Oneness Apostolics that were never governed by St. Louis and that's why many of those views of Apostolic Pentecost is so distorted.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Absolutely CORRECT.

Some folks around don't even know there's another whole world of Oneness Apostolics that were never governed by St. Louis and that's why many of those views of Apostolic Pentecost is so distorted.

I understand that, even though I was raised UPC.

I was just curious as to how old the "old time religion" you love is.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Absolutely CORRECT.

Some folks around don't even know there's another whole world of Oneness Apostolics that were never governed by St. Louis and that's why many of those views of Apostolic Pentecost is so distorted.

They're not distorted views... they're just experiences that are different from yours... AND - they are the experiences of the majority of Oneness Pentecostals.

Now, obviously the stuff that was "introduced" in the 1940's came from somewhere. There was (and still is) a lively and vibrant, though by most standards, a small movement that represents the ideals you crave.

It's just a plain fact: your position was never the majority among Oneness Pentecostals. When you cry out for "the olde tyme religion" you are crying for a rather small and marginalized sectarian viewpoint that was never the heritage of the vast number of Oneness Pentecostals.

Numbers alone don't make you wrong, however. I'm certain that you're capable of being wrong either all by yourself or among millions. It's just a fact of history that you've been wrong with a rather small number of people, most of whom have learned not to try and advance their opinion in public forums lest they be proven wrong, again.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by pelathais

They're not distorted views... they're just experiences that are different from yours... AND - they are the experiences of the majority of Oneness Pentecostals.

Now, obviously the stuff that was "introduced" in the 1940's came from somewhere. There was (and still is) a lively and vibrant, though by most standards, a small movement that represents the ideals you crave.

It's just a plain fact: your position was never the majority among Oneness Pentecostals. When you cry out for "the olde tyme religion" you are crying for a rather small and marginalized sectarian viewpoint that was never the heritage of the vast number of Oneness Pentecostals.

Numbers alone don't make you wrong, however. I'm certain that you're capable of being wrong either all by yourself or among millions. It's just a fact of history that you've been wrong with a rather small number of people, most of whom have learned not to try and advance their opinion in public forums lest they be proven wrong, again.

Small as in a FEW.

Correct.

Thousands, even millions would definitely be "small" (FEW) compared to the BILLIONS that have absorbed your false doctrines and of that FEW I am happy to be a part.

Matt 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Small as in a FEW.

Correct.

Thousands, even millions would definitely be "small" (FEW) compared to the BILLIONS that have absorbed your false doctrines and of that FEW I am happy to be a part.

Matt 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV

This is interesting pathology to me.

Lets break this down a little bit.

Pelathais just wrote a very articulate and very accurate, down to the bone post that made reference to what can be proven as fact.

The best that Old Path could do in response is to berate him and essentially tell him he is not part of that constituent who is taking the narrow way to heaven.

Great Job Old Path, you followed your tradition well. I am glad the right remains consitently predictable.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This is interesting pathology to me.

Lets break this down a little bit.

Pelathais just wrote a very articulate and very accurate, down to the bone post that made reference to what can be proven as fact.

The best that Old Path could do in response is to berate him and essentially tell him he is not part of that constituent who is taking the narrow way to heaven.

Great Job Old Path, you followed your tradition well. I am glad the right remains consitently predictable.

Your welcome.

Always happy to oblige folks in their quest to justify themselves.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by pelathais

They're not distorted views... they're just experiences that are different from yours... AND - they are the experiences of the majority of Oneness Pentecostals.

Now, obviously the stuff that was "introduced" in the 1940's came from somewhere. There was (and still is) a lively and vibrant, though by most standards, a small movement that represents the ideals you crave.

It's just a plain fact: your position was never the majority among Oneness Pentecostals. When you cry out for "the olde tyme religion" you are crying for a rather small and marginalized sectarian viewpoint that was never the heritage of the vast number of Oneness Pentecostals.

Numbers alone don't make you wrong, however. I'm certain that you're capable of being wrong either all by yourself or among millions. It's just a fact of history that you've been wrong with a rather small number of people, most of whom have learned not to try and advance their opinion in public forums lest they be proven wrong, again.

My understanding and belief is that the North American outpouring in the 20th century came through the Methodist holiness movement.

I tend to believe that at one time, most if not all, believed and obeyed the UPC manual out of conviction and because it was their conviction, tended to communicate that conviction to their saints as well.

Has it stayed that way among most if not all? Obviously not. But just as in the early rain after Acts 2, Paul warning them night and days with tears about those on the outside who would come after he departed not sparing the flock and those on the inside who would rise up and speak perverse (distort, misinterpret, corrupt) things to draw away disciples after them; and those who would depart from the faith, etc. Peter and Jude also speaking of these types of people.

Therefore, there is nothing new under the sun. Just like in the early rain it happened, so now in the latter rain outpouring it is happening.

The apostolic organizations are shaking.

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

My understanding and belief is that the North American outpouring in the 20th century came through the Methodist holiness movement.

I tend to believe that at one time, most if not all, believed and obeyed the UPC manual out of conviction and because it was their conviction, tended to communicate that conviction to their saints as well.

Has it stayed that way among most if not all? Obviously not. But just as in the early rain after Acts 2, Paul warning them night and days with tears about those on the outside who would come after he departed not sparing the flock and those on the inside who would rise up and speak perverse (distort, misinterpret, corrupt) things to draw away disciples after them; and those who would depart from the faith, etc. Peter and Jude also speaking of these types of people.

Therefore, there is nothing new under the sun. Just like in the early rain it happened, so now in the latter rain outpouring it is happening.

The apostolic organizations are shaking.

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Nice start, but can you bring it full circle and apply what you said to the contemporary church?

Those of us who went to public school need you to carry this thought further so we are crystal clear on what you mean...

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Nice start, but can you bring it full circle and apply what you said to the contemporary church?

Those of us who went to public school need you to carry this thought further so we are crystal clear on what you mean...

Sorry, I think I jumped in to a discussion and responded to a message without reading the context. I made an assumption and I guess I should of clarified what was meant by "distorted views".

My apologies.