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Old 08-15-2008, 09:00 AM
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Re: Camouflage Oneness on your website

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My question about #2 is this, is there anything in the wording that a Oneness person would take issue with?
Saying "three personalities" doesn't seem like it would go over in a Oneness group. I don't believe in three personalities - that sounds like they are different mindsets - and I'm sure not a typical Oneness person.
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:16 AM
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Saying "three personalities" doesn't seem like it would go over in a Oneness group. I don't believe in three personalities - that sounds like they are different mindsets - and I'm sure not a typical Oneness person.
Many years ago I had a UPC preacher say to me, "I don't believe in three persons but I believe in three personalities." He later became a Dist. Supt. with the UPC.
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:17 AM
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Sheesh Sam....you got me all freaked out with your new Avatar!
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:25 AM
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Many years ago I had a UPC preacher say to me, "I don't believe in three persons but I believe in three personalities." He later became a Dist. Supt. with the UPC.
There certainly is a variety under the umbrella of Oneness. That new avatar gives you added authority Sam.

A.D. Urshan even used the term Triune.
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:33 AM
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There certainly is a variety under the umbrella of Oneness. That new avatar gives you added authority Sam.

A.D. Urshan even used the term Triune.
Hope the avatar is not offensive to anyone.
I do not mean any disrespect to Bro. Haney.

Yes, AD Urshan used the word "triune." If I remember correctly he also used the term "three-one" God in his book "The Almighty God in the Lord Jesus Christ." Also, part of the PCI manual was displayed on one of these forums and they actually used the word "tinity" in it in describing the oneness doctrine.
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A.D. Urshan even used the term Triune.
A while back, I read two different autobiographies of Andrew Urshan. One was printed serially in several magazines in 1946. The other was written in 1918 and is available from the UPC publishing house. The book from 1918 tells about his birth and childhood and conversion as a young man in Persia, his trip to the U.S., his baptism in the Spirit, and his ministry in the U.S., Persia, and Russia. There is no mention of his baptism in Jesus' name (unless I missed it). The magazine articles covered a lot of the same information but they do talk about baptism in Jesus' name. Andrew Urshan was sprinkled as a baby in the Presbyterian manner. Later as a young man he was immersed. He later had some questions concerning water baptism and came to the conclusion that, "The Lord Jesus Christ is the One Proper Name of the whole Deity for this Gospel dispensation because in Him, Jesus Christ our Lord, all the fullness of the Godhead dwells and to Him all the power in Heaven and earth was given" He goes on to say, "...This was indeed a wonderful revelation of the Trinity in Christ....seeing the great value of the baptism invested in faith in the One Name of the triune God..." He goes on to say that he had a tract published about this revelation, that he had Acts 2:38 painted above the baptistry tank and that he began to baptize new converts "into the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ which is the One Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost." This is on page 10 of a magazine titled The Witness of God, edition no. 3 of 1946. He said this happened in 1910 while pastoring an assembly at Sheffield and Montana Street in Chicago, Illinois. It is interesting that although he started baptizing new converts this way, he did not practice rebaptism. He later went back to Persia and then to Russia. In 1915 while preaching in Russia, he hoped no one would want to be water baptized because he knew it had become a controversy in the U.S. and he did not want to join in with either side of the issue. He did decide not to do any baptizing unless some one specifically requested baptism using the name of Jesus. A new convert came to him, pointing to Acts 8:16 in a Bible, and asked for baptism according to this verse. Several days later they went out into the woods to a river, cleared away two feet of snow, broke a hole trough the ice and baptized several people. There were more converts and a few days later more wanted to be baptized. Bro. Urshan preached on Isaiah 9:6 about "the sonship of Jesus and the Divine Fatherhood in Him." He then talked about baptism in Jesus' Name. As a result some who had been previously baptized requested rebaptism.

Here is what Bro. Urshan wrote about his attitude toward rebaptism.
"I objected to such a thing then. I had come to the conclusion to baptize the new repenting souls in Jesus Christ's name, but never those who were already baptized. In spite of my personal feeling on the subject, I was almost begged to baptize some who once were already baptized.... I tried to discourage it, and told the folks it was not necessary at all and that it would bring trouble and division among them. I went as far as to tell them of the havoc that very thing had created in America and then I plainly stated that i would not rebaptize them.... I prayed hard against rebaptism and branded it to be a trick of the devil to destroy that good revival." When they insisted on being rebaptized, he told them to go ahead and rebaptize one another. He told them that he himself had not been rebaptized and wanted to return to America and discuss it more fully with people there. Finally they prevailed upon him and he asked an elderly Spirit filled Russian to rebaptise him and then he baptized about 75 people in Jesus' Name. This is from pages 10 and 11 of The Witness of God, August 1946.

Even though he had now been rebaptized, when Bro. Urshan returned to the U.S. he continued to fellowship and preach among those who practiced both types of baptism. Later, he was forced to choose sides and he sided with the "New Issue" or Jesus' name baptism.
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Saying "three personalities" doesn't seem like it would go over in a Oneness group. I don't believe in three personalities - that sounds like they are different mindsets - and I'm sure not a typical Oneness person.
Maybe so, however Orthodox Trinitarianism is three persons, not three personalities depending on how one uses the word. Personality tends to be external while persons in the trinitarian use from the greek hypostasis is internal
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