Isn't this the ultimate excuse, "God made me that way?"
Hey, and Sam, "Hard to imagine what he went through all those years..." Are you serious?? He goes through what any sinner-in-secret goes through.
Now, he's just admitting that he's been a sinner since he was born, or, a little kid. Now he needs the Holy Ghost, to be baptized in the name of Jesus, and let God destroy the sin in his life.
He doesn't need salvation just because he's written a bunch of gooey "annointed" songs?? I don't have any passes to hand out. Only God gives those out.
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How sad........he has written some of the most anointed songs. I think some people just fight the feelings for years and suddenly they just give up. I've seen this happen to so many Christians.
Sherri, do you think that there is some validity to the statement that people make when they say they were "born that way"? I don't know. I wonder about it sometimes because we've all known little boys who acted very effeminate. And then we've seen those same little boys grow up to be openly gay.
Please don't take me wrong. I am IN NO WAY saying that I believe that it is ok to be gay. I absolutely believe that the homosexual lifestyle is sin.
My question is: If that is the case - and I believe it is - then why would God create some people with those kinds of natural tendencies?
Or are they just making it up from day one?
I don't know an answer. I just question. I do know however that it is amazing to me how many 'artsy-fartsy' people end up "coming out of the closet" at some point. Wonder why that would be???
I think this is sad. Just sad.
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Sherri, do you think that there is some validity to the statement that people make when they say they were "born that way"? I don't know. I wonder about it sometimes because we've all known little boys who acted very effeminate. And then we've seen those same little boys grow up to be openly gay.
Please don't take me wrong. I am IN NO WAY saying that I believe that it is ok to be gay. I absolutely believe that the homosexual lifestyle is sin.
My question is: If that is the case - and I believe it is - then why would God create some people with those kinds of natural tendencies?
Or are they just making it up from day one?
I don't know an answer. I just question. I do know however that it is amazing to me how many 'artsy-fartsy' people end up "coming out of the closet" at some point. Wonder why that would be???
I think this is sad. Just sad.
I see it this way...we are all born with the desire to sin. It's our nature to do so. But with the Holy Ghost, we can be overcomers of those sins, and I think homosexuality is included in that. It's really no different than other compulsions to sin that we all face every day.
That's my two cents, and with the cost of gas lately, it's not worth as much as it was three days ago.
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Sherri, do you think that there is some validity to the statement that people make when they say they were "born that way"? I don't know. I wonder about it sometimes because we've all known little boys who acted very effeminate. And then we've seen those same little boys grow up to be openly gay.
Please don't take me wrong. I am IN NO WAY saying that I believe that it is ok to be gay. I absolutely believe that the homosexual lifestyle is sin.
My question is: If that is the case - and I believe it is - then why would God create some people with those kinds of natural tendencies?
Or are they just making it up from day one?
I don't know an answer. I just question. I do know however that it is amazing to me how many 'artsy-fartsy' people end up "coming out of the closet" at some point. Wonder why that would be???
I think this is sad. Just sad.
They are not natural tendencies Margie, and the Word tells us that. That it is unnatural for men to lie with men, and women to lie with women. It is an abomination to God. He did not make Ray Boltz or any other gay/lesbian that way. It is a life they chose themselves for earthly pleasures that last for a season but that can send their souls to hell for eternity. That is what the Word tells us.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
They are not natural tendencies Margie, and the Word tells us that. That it is unnatural for men to lie with men, and women to lie with women. It is an abomination to God. He did not make Ray Boltz or any other gay/lesbian that way. It is a life they chose themselves for earthly pleasures that last for a season but that can send their souls to hell for eternity. That is what the Word tells us.
While I agree that it is a sin, I find it difficult to claim to know what someone with these tendencies goes through. I would hesitate to assume that it is some fun thing they are doing because they want to sin for a season. I guarantee you that most gay people would rather NOT have those tendencies. Life would certainly be much easier. I try to imagine how difficult it would be if I had the same feelings for men that I currently have for women. While it may not be "natural", it is a tendency that occurs for whatever reason. Environmental, psychological, etc. HOW you came to be that way wouldn't make it any easy to ignore.
Praying for Ray Boltz.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
While I agree that it is a sin, I find it difficult to claim to know what someone with these tendencies goes through. I would hesitate to assume that it is some fun thing they are doing because they want to sin for a season. I guarantee you that most gay people would rather NOT have those tendencies. Life would certainly be much easier. I try to imagine how difficult it would be if I had the same feelings for men that I currently have for women. While it may not be "natural", it is a tendency that occurs for whatever reason. Environmental, psychological, etc. HOW you came to be that way wouldn't make it any easy to ignore.
Praying for Ray Boltz.
Derrick it is a choice plain and simple, just as any other sin is a choice. I didn't say anything about it being fun at all as I know it is not. It is a horrible lie that the enemy deceives people with. I will pray for any sinner to be delivered from sin whatever it may be.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Derrick it is a choice plain and simple, just as any other sin is a choice. I didn't say anything about it being fun at all as I know it is not. It is a horrible lie that the enemy deceives people with. I will pray for any sinner to be delivered from sin whatever it may be.
My point is that the urges and attractions are not a choice. Acting on it certainly is.
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Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
My point is that the urges and attractions are not a choice. Acting on it certainly is.
Exactly.
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God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
They are not natural tendencies Margie, and the Word tells us that. That it is unnatural for men to lie with men, and women to lie with women. It is an abomination to God. He did not make Ray Boltz or any other gay/lesbian that way. It is a life they chose themselves for earthly pleasures that last for a season but that can send their souls to hell for eternity. That is what the Word tells us.
There are simese twins are unnatural also. I think it's important to remember...we're all born "unnatural". Sin is unnatural. We were born to live holy. However, since the fall this flesh has had PROBLEMS and genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations. For the homosexual, their flesh is a prison with desires they'd much rather not have....yet they have them anyway.
Also knowledge of pharamones and attraction is valuable. Scientific studies have shown that homosexual brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples of the same gender in blind tests. While "straight" brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples from the opposite gender.
It's unnatural....but it may ver well be rooted in the "flesh"...scientifically defined as, their biology.
There are simese twins are unnatural also. I think it's important to remember...we're all born "unnatural". Sin is unnatural. We were born to live holy. However, since the fall this flesh has had PROBLEMS and genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations. For the homosexual, their flesh is a prison with desires they'd much rather not have....yet they have them anyway.
Also knowledge of pharamones and attraction is valuable. Scientific studies have shown that homosexual brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples of the same gender in blind tests. While "straight" brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples from the opposite gender.
It's unnatural....but it may ver well be rooted in the "flesh"...scientifically defined as, their biology.
This sounds like an argument that is trying to prove that all men are dogs.
Scientific studies in what, rats? Mice? Labrador Retrievers?
Your premise that ...genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations couldn't be more wrong. Your reference to a supposed clinical and physicial condition dictating an abstract outcome is untenable.
Sin is caused by the fact that we are fallible, fallen creatures and morally and spiritually bankrupt. Homosexuality and hetro-promiscuity, drug addiction, etc., is an individual's fleshly attempt to make up for that deficiency.
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