Ray Boltz????

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I meant to say aside from casting out of devils it is not simply "healed." Like I said, I have cast devils of homosexuality out of people. It seems the casting out of devils has been relegated to medieval foolishness in many circles, and people cannot see a need for it in favor of "healing" etc. Something caused by a demon cannot be dealt with in ways aside from dealing with the evil spirit.

It can be suppressed perhaps, but a devil will most likely be cast out when full recovery is found. Without such deliverance, the battle is always there.

Have you read the other part of my testimony I posted here a few days ago?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=18510

I'm also no stranger to demons and dealing with things caused by demons. I can say pretty certainly that while I don't really know what led down this path, it wasn't demonic in nature.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Have you read the other part of my testimony I posted here a few days ago?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=18510

I'm also no stranger to demons and dealing with things caused by demons. I can say pretty certainly that while I don't really know what led down this path, it wasn't demonic in nature.

All sin is demonic. Devils tempt us and urge to any sort of sin. And although a devil may not necessarily be within a person who commits a certain sin, there is a devil with the nature of every sin imaginable. So sin is simply demonic in nature, generally speaking.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All sin is demonic. Devils tempt us and urge to any sort of sin. And although a devil may not necessarily be within a person who commits a certain sin, there is a devil with the nature of every sin imaginable. So sin is simply demonic in nature, generally speaking.

We seriously disagree about what sin is then. But I see more clearly where you're coming from.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

We seriously disagree about what sin is then. But I see more clearly where you're coming from.

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

I agree with this. That's not what I thought you were saying before.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

But that isn't what you said...

Originally Posted by mfblume

All sin is demonic. Devils tempt us and urge to any sort of sin. And although a devil may not necessarily be within a person who commits a certain sin, there is a devil with the nature of every sin imaginable. So sin is simply demonic in nature, generally speaking.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

But that isn't what you said...

No, lol, you did not understand what I said. When I said all sin is demonic I meant every sin has a spirit associated with it, but that did not mean sin is not, in and of itself, a force we contend with even in absence of devils.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, lol, you did not understand what I said. When I said all sin is demonic I meant every sin has a spirit associated with it, but that did not mean sin is not, in and of itself, a force we contend with even in absence of devils.

Right, I saw that. But I'm not so sure what I think of that.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All sin is demonic. Devils tempt us and urge to any sort of sin. And although a devil may not necessarily be within a person who commits a certain sin, there is a devil with the nature of every sin imaginable. So sin is simply demonic in nature, generally speaking.

I don't think all sin requires demonic influence. Man has a sinful nature, and can easily fall into sin without any assistance.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

I don't think all sin requires demonic influence. Man has a sinful nature, and can easily fall into sin without any assistance.

Flesh works together with the demonic. What do you think all those wicked spirits are doing? Watching us fool ourselves?