Ray Boltz????

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Why don't you agree with his approach? What specifically bothers you about it?

What is that you can understand about how he is presently dealing with his sin struggle?

Because I don't think that giving up is a real good way to deal with life. It bothers me that he's reached a point where this is the choice he's made. Mostly because I know what the journey back has been like for me. And there's always the chance he won't make that journey back.

What I can understand is feeling hopeless, exhausted, out of options and feeling like giving up is the best choice.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Because I don't think that giving up is a real good way to deal with life. It bothers me that he's reached a point where this is the choice he's made. Mostly because I know what the journey back has been like for me. And there's always the chance he won't make that journey back.

What I can understand is feeling hopeless, exhausted, out of options and feeling like giving up is the best choice.

Just out of curiousity...who says that he has given up? From what I read in the article it doesn't appear that he has given up on God, or Christianity. (Which brings to mind the previous threads on Christian Garrett).

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Just out of curiousity...who says that he has given up? From what I read in the article it doesn't appear that he has given up on God, or Christianity. (Which brings to mind the previous threads on Christian Garrett).

You don't believe homosexuality is a sin...

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Just out of curiousity...who says that he has given up? From what I read in the article it doesn't appear that he has given up on God, or Christianity. (Which brings to mind the previous threads on Christian Garrett).

Using my own personal definition, he's given up. If you pursue something, work towards it, try, and then quit, you've given up. For some reason, at this point in his life, he's chosen to quit fighting this battle. There's no judgment for that Mich, we all make choices along those lines, pick our battles, etc. But I know if you believe it's wrong for years and years, even if you change your mind it's hard to work through the emotions around it. That's where a lot of my empathy is addressed right now.

I've already stated I don't believe homosexuality and a relationship with God to be mutually exclusive. I don't believe one has to give up on God when they give up on something else they held as true at one point. I hope he doesn't give up on God, but I do know how quickly things went that direction for me. I also know God is faithful and has the final say in all of this anyhow. I also can't presume to know where he is in regards to giving up on God Himself. Even if he has, or if he does in the future (or anyone else for that matter!), that's still not the final say in the matter. God alone has that.