Ray Boltz????

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JT may be referring to a Barna Research Group study ....

according to a recent nationwide survey by the Barna Group, a Christian market-research company, the divorce rate among born-again Christians is 35 percent—exactly the same as for the population as a whole. (Of course, the propensity of the non-born-again to cohabit rather than marry may artificially lower their divorce rates; but even if break-ups by couples who live together are counted as divorces, the born-again rate is only three percentage points lower than that of the general population.) The survey also uncovered some interesting denominational variation in the divorce rate: Catholics (whose hierarchy still holds a traditional line on divorce) were much less likely to divorce (25 percent) than Protestants (39 percent). Among the latter, Pentecostals were the most likely to divorce (44 percent) and Presbyterians were the least likely (28 percent).

When one considers that there are over 200 million Pentecostals and over 200 million Charismatics ... which he may or may not have included under the Pentecostal banner ... this is an alarming number and is significantly more than outside this demographic ... even among the population as a whole

Oneness Pentecostals, if using French's number ... of about 12 million world wide would comprise 5-10% of this number of total Pentecostals/Charismatics worldwide....

I don't think the numbers would be as high .... but we'd have to admit anecdotally the numbers of Apostolics getting divorced seems to be increasing ... unfortunately.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

JT may be referring to a Barna Research Group study ....

When one considers that there are over 200 million Pentecostals and over 200 million Charismatics ... which he may or may not have included under the Pentecostal banner ... this is an alarming number and is significantly more than outside this demographic ... even among the population as a whole

Oneness Pentecostals, if using French's number ... of about 12 million world wide would comprise 5-10% of this number of total Pentecostals/Charismatics worldwide....

I don't think the numbers would be as high .... but we'd have to admit anecdotally the numbers of Apostolics getting divorced seems to be increasing ... unfortunately.

Interesting stats...

But since the categorization of what's considered "Pentecostal" is so broad, I'll still take such numbers with a few cups of salt.

When I think of "the church" I define that as Jesus-name-baptized/Spirit-filled saints. Apparently there are no stats for such Apostolics/Oneness Pentecostals. The number of divorces among Apostolics may be increasing, as I'm told it is... but if I were a betting man I would bet my last penny that the divorce number among "us" is nowhere near the numbers Barna comes up with for divorces among "Pentecostals".

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Interesting stats...

But since the categorization of what's considered "Pentecostal" is so broad, I'll still take such numbers with a few cups of salt.

When I think of "the church" I define that as Jesus-name-baptized/Spirit-filled saints. Apparently there are no stats for such Apostolics/Oneness Pentecostals. The number of divorces among Apostolics may be increasing, as I'm told it is... but if I were a betting man I would bet my last penny that the divorce number among "us" is nowhere near the numbers Barna comes up with for divorces among "Pentecostals".

I don't know bro ... look at the forum .... quite a bit of divorcees here.

The numbers may be skewed also.....

Also, in many of our circles getting divorced still places a scarlet letter over them ... and they are then shunned or viewed as backslidden ... even if they are the "innocent" party...

I recently heard the testimony of one lady here in Texas who was no longer considered a church member in good standing after getting divorced from a man who had repeatedly had homosexual affairs because she did not reconcile with him ....

Such people may continue to label themselves Pentecostal but not part of a Apostolic church after .... this ... type of experience.

Some are too embarrassed to return to an Apostolic church ... because of the condemnation they most certainly face in a crowd that views short sleeves as a heaven or hell issue.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I don't know bro ... look at the forum .... quite a bit of divorcees here.

The numbers may be skewed also.....

I don't think anyone with half a brain cell considers the forum to be representative of the general Apostolic population.

I sincerely hope not. Actually I think not. I don't think the forum is representative of the Apostolic population at all.

lol

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

I don't think anyone with half a brain cell considers the forum to be representative of the general Apostolic population.

I sincerely hope not. Actually I think not. I don't think the forum is representative of the Apostolic population at all.

lol

You see TR ... this is exactly the attitude that I mean ...

Some here are considered unApostolic for things "much less" .... than divorce.

Getting a divorce or even speaking about separating often carries with it a death sentence in many parts of Apostolica.

This dynamic is common in other types of insular groups like Hasidic Jews ... divorce is not a viable option.

Some would rather leave than receive a pharisaical flogging or downcast eyes.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You see TR ... this is exactly the attitude that I mean ...

Some here are considered unApostolic for things "much less" .... than divorce.

Getting a divorce or even speaking about separating often carries with it a death sentence in many parts of Apostolica.

This dynamic is common in other types of insular groups like Hasidic Jews ... divorce is not a viable option.

Some would rather leave than receive a pharisaical flogging or downcast eyes.

Okay, all knowing Kettle, which attitude are you erroneously attributing to my post this time?

Ironically, your disdain for Apostolics is painfully apparent and clearly stated in this post. Apostolics in general and across the board do not fit neatly into the box you have built here. Your little skinny paint brush is not as wide as you would suppose it to be.

You display your condescention of Apostolics as not being able to distinguish between motivations for divorce is insulting. Yeah, to you Apostolics are idiots or spiritual abusers who toss all divorcees into the same pot.

A death sentence you call it?? NOW who sounds bitter?

I'm sorry, I AGAIN forgot that all behaviors in the church conform to your experiences. If it's not coming out of your stack, it's not smoke, right?? Puleeeze

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

Okay, all knowing Kettle, which attitude are you erroneously attributing to my post this time?

Ironically, your disdain for Apostolics is painfully apparent and clearly stated in this post. Apostolics in general and across the board do not fit neatly into the box you have built here. Your little skinny paint brush is not as wide as you would suppose it to be.

You display your condescention of Apostolics as not being able to distinguish between motivations for divorce is insulting. Yeah, to you Apostolics are idiots or spiritual abusers who toss all divorcees into the same pot.

A death sentence you call it?? NOW who sounds bitter?

My brush has carefully used words like some, many, often ... knowing that some are challenged in the area of literacy.

Your quote saying that anyone with half a brain knows that this group does not represent Apostolica stands on its own, Jekyll.

Want to see ...????

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