Ray Boltz????

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Originally Posted by Carpenter

I said I was the first one to use it. I will concede the word invent, you don't really invent words, you derive words. You are calling me on the latin form of Apostolic, this is out of context to the discussion.

I used it to describe the Apostolic population at large because people kept calling me on characterizing all of Apostolica as the UPC when I referred to a certain practice.

I am not offended that I am much smarter than you...and Daniel so its ok.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Actually...I think I was the first one who used the word Apostolica...I think I may have invented it...actually. I...didn't mean for it to peg Apostolic beliefs as myths, I coined it...as something that applies across the board universally to Apostolic people. Apostolica is people, not an abstract notion.

I am honestly honored that Dan would use a word I invented.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

If you read way back I first used it and several people asked me what it meant.

...sheesh, ask Renda.

Let's look at the facts:

1. You did make assertions of coining and inventing the word Apostolica in at least two statements.

2. You demonstrated pride in others such as myself using a word you coined/invented/derived.

3. You appealed to an "authority" (Renda) in trying to substantiate your claim.

4. You then retracted/spinned/squirmed saying words are not invented but derived ... hence you derived the word Apostolica to mean a group of people not an abstract notion. Still claiming somehow proprietary rights to a term that is used in various contexts other than the one you seem to want to make the word to mean.

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Now more myths that need to be addressed, my sub-erudite friend:

1. Many words are invented everyday.

In the world of lexicography, there is the art/science of new words created/coined/invented called neologisms.

A neologism (from Greek neo = "new" + logos = "word") is a word that, although devised relatively recently in a specific time period, has been accepted into a mainstream language.

By definition, neologisms are "new", and as such are often directly attributable to a specific individual, publication, period, or event. The term "neologism" was coined in 1803, [1] so in the early nineteenth century, the word "neologism"—was a neologism.

Source: http://wapedia.mobi/en/neologism

Furthermore, the word invent connotes producing or contrivjng (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination ... yet from a source that has existed ...

Hence ... closely tied to deriving which means to obtain or receive from a source ... to infer or deduce.


2. Words by their definition are values given to abstract notions or concrete/tangible elements. The people you seek to describe in the word you claim to describe .... admittedly are a group people who are part of the Apostolic church.

If this be true ... than you, sir, are falsely owning the term Apostolica which has been used to describe the Apostolic church by many a scholar for generations in our vernacular.

We may disagree who this Church is today ... as everyone from Mormons, Catholics, OPs to Baptists stake claim ...

nonetheless ... all believe that the first century church would be part of Apostolica ...

Here is one scholar who uses it IN THE EARLY 1800'S to describe the Apostolic church in similar context to how we are using to describe the Apostolic church:



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Source:
The history of theThe history of the Acts of the holy apostles confirmed from other authors
By Richard Biscoe
Published by , 1829
Original from Oxford University
Digitized Aug 30, 2007
http://books.google.com/books?id=e38...esult#PPA54,M1

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What I see transpiring here is a pathetic paradox with a seemingly bright young man ....

You have fallen into the trap of the very conservatives you've lambasted in the past ... in believing that WE'VE JUST ARRIVED.


*** This all said and done w/ a public school education ... and a BA and MS in History and Education respectively. *****

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Let's look at the facts:

1. You did make assertions of coining and inventing the word Apostolica in at least two statements.

2. You demonstrated pride in others such as myself using a word you coined/invented/derived.

3. You appealed to an "authority" (Renda) in trying to substantiate your claim.

4. You then retracted/spinned/squirmed saying words are not invented but derived ... hence you derived the word Apostolica to mean a group of people not an abstract notion. Still claiming somehow proprietary rights to a term that is used in various contexts other than the one you seem to want to make the word to mean.

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Now more myths that need to be addressed, my sub-erudite friend:

1. Many words are invented everyday.

In the world of lexicography, there is the art/science of new words created/coined/invented called neologisms.

A neologism (from Greek neo = "new" + logos = "word") is a word that, although devised relatively recently in a specific time period, has been accepted into a mainstream language.

By definition, neologisms are "new", and as such are often directly attributable to a specific individual, publication, period, or event. The term "neologism" was coined in 1803, [1] so in the early nineteenth century, the word "neologism"—was a neologism.

Source: http://wapedia.mobi/en/neologism

Furthermore, the word invent connotes producing or contrivjng (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination ... yet from a source that has existed ...

Hence ... closely tied to deriving which means to obtain or receive from a source ... to infer or deduce.


2. Words by their definition are values given to abstract notions or concrete/tangible elements. The people you seek to describe in the word you claim to describe .... admittedly are a group people who are part of the Apostolic church.

If this be true ... than you, sir, are falsely owning the term Apostolica which has been used to describe the Apostolic church by many a scholar for generations in our vernacular.

We may disagree who this Church is today ... as everyone from Mormons, Catholics, OPs to Baptists stake claim ...

nonetheless ... all believe that the first century church would be part of Apostolica ...

Here is one scholar who uses it IN THE EARLY 1800'S to describe the Apostolic church in similar context to how we are using to describe the Apostolic church:



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Source:
The history of theThe history of the Acts of the holy apostles confirmed from other authors
By Richard Biscoe
Published by , 1829
Original from Oxford University
Digitized Aug 30, 2007
http://books.google.com/books?id=e38...esult#PPA54,M1

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What I see transpiring here is a pathetic paradox with a seemingly bright young man ....

You have fallen into the trap of the very conservatives you've lambasted in the past ... in believing that WE'VE JUST ARRIVED.


*** This all said and done w/ a public school education ... and a BA and MS in History and Education respectively. *****

Foxnews: Farmer Dan killed his milk cow today. Poor creature was a victim of Dan's obsession with the fly spinning around the cow's head. Dan was reported to have a 25lb sledge hammer that he could barely lift and unfortunatley hit his beloved daisy square between the eyes. We here at Foxnews sure hope that Dan can get milk from that horsefly...if he would only let go of the hammer he obviously can't control.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Foxnews: Farmer Dan killed his milk cow today. Poor creature was a victim of Dan's obsession with the fly spinning around the cow's head. Dan was reported to have a 25lb sledge hammer that he could barely lift and unfortunatley hit his beloved daisy square between the eyes. We here at Foxnews sure hope that Dan can get milk from that horsefly...if he would only let go of the hammer he obviously can't control.

Junior,

Be advised - You will continue to be the recipient of the thunderous might of Thor's hammer if you continue to false claim in my 'hood.

I understand your frustration when a once prolific, thoughtful, influential poster as yourself .... posting style is reduced to flailing and anemic attempts at being the Alfred E. Newman of the AFF.

As this sad episode concludes with another myth busted, EMT has informed us that you will not be air-vacced for placing foot in mouth but for having head firmly lodged in and up an another anatomical aperture.

Godspeed.

Now go on and 'git.

- The King

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Junior,

Be advised - You will continue to be the recipient of the thunderous might of Thor's hammer if you continue to false claim in my 'hood.

I understand your frustration when a once prolific, thoughtful, influential poster as yourself .... posting style is reduced to flailing and anemic attempts at being the Alfred E. Newman of the AFF.

As this sad episode concludes with another myth busted, EMT has informed us that you will not be air-vacced for placing foot in mouth but for having head firmly lodged in and up an another anatomical aperture.

Godspeed.

Now go on and 'git.

- The King

Daniel-Red-Riding Hood,

You remind me of that little boy crying Canis Lupis...(thats WOLF to you Danny-boy) all the time with your frequent use of the word SAD in an attempt to gain the moral and intellectual high ground.

The fact of the matter is you would feel convicted if you really knew the meaning of that word..you would look in the mirror and consider your productivity, your contribution to society and time spent with your family compared to your post count and the amount of time you spend here starting threads on how shiny you think your new 1997 penny is. (I know, I am ending my sentence with a preposition, but hey, I have weaknesses too).

I have no problem being told to git from a basement with big fluffy well used recliners, open bags of chips and tipped over pepsi bottles, and you holding fast to the biggest and puffiest eating the crubs off your own chest.

Like I said, get your pasty self outside. Go borrow a dog and buy a frisbee, you will be amazed how much fun you can have.