Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

I don't believe in women preachers.

My belief is based upon the following scriptures...

2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Witness # 1 - 1 Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience...

Witness # 2 - 1 Cor 14:34 ...as also saith the law.

Witness # 3 - 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

I don't have a problem with women teaching other women though.

Here's where I"m confused.

You quoted scripture that said let the women be SILENT in the church. It didn't say it was ok for them to teach other women, it simply says "let them be silent"

So, how can you use this scripture to support your "no women preachers' theory, but it's ok for them to teach other women?

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Here's where I"m confused.

You quoted scripture that said let the women be SILENT in the church. It didn't say it was ok for them to teach other women, it simply says "let them be silent"

So, how can you use this scripture to support your "no women preachers' theory, but it's ok for them to teach other women?

Because women teaching women does not cause them to usurp authority over the man.

Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

In the above Paul shows that its okay for the aged women to teach the young women. I don't have a problem with women teaching women.

Paul explains the silence part...

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Silence meaning not to teach men, but could also include not disrupting the service.

Also, concerning men in high leadership/authoritarian roles, consider this...

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this Scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Notice he's addressing men and brethren.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Notice "of these men...must one be ordained". Women were not even in the realm of possibility for being considered as a replacement for Judas.

God bless.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

Because women teaching women does not cause them to usurp authority over the man.

Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

In the above Paul shows that its okay for the aged women to teach the young women. I don't have a problem with women teaching women.

Paul explains the silence part...

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Silence meaning not to teach men, but could also include not disrupting the service.

Also, concerning men in high leadership/authoritarian roles, consider this...

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this Scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Notice he's addressing men and brethren.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Notice "of these men...must one be ordained". Women were not even in the realm of possibility for being considered as a replacement for Judas.

God bless.

I see. So "silence" doesn't really mean to keep silent, it just means not to usurp authority over the men?

Interesting.

Either way, I won't argue the point further. The defense rests, lol.