When will the US Become Completely Socialistic?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Bro. we are a long way from dead. and we can come back from this.... we did it in the 1980s.

I disagree.

This is a different America.

The old one is gone, and it ain't coming back.

Now...go ahead and label me negative.

Your attempts at marginalization have been quite entertaining.

[Praxeas]

Communision is not socialism

[Praxeas]

You can have a socialistic Democracy.

When they make the NAU I suspect will be the beginning of the end

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Bro. we are a long way from dead. and we can come back from this.... we did it in the 1980s.

What kind of freaks me out in the present scenario is that both China and Russia are emergent strongholds of creditor status while we are utterly dependant on outsiders putting their faith in there being value in our credit worthiness over periods like 10 and 30 years into the future.

Who da thunk that our military in the early '90's would have been so vital in securing our best hope for financial survival, freeing us from complete dependance from a communist country being the only buyer of our debt. The folks from Abu Dhabi at least provide some kind of marketplace that is buying up our foolish debt THAT IS NOT a government with an eye toward world domination!

Maybe if we end up being acquired or merging with another nation we can be the United States and Arab Emirates (if they are the purchasers they may want their name on the top of the marquee).

[Charnock]

The USSR fell because of economic collapse.

Not because of a newfound affinity for democracy (as has been verified).

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Charnock

I disagree.

This is a different America.

The old one is gone, and it ain't coming back.

Now...go ahead and label me negative.

Your attempts at marginalization have been quite entertaining.

Which America are you speaking of? the one that existed before 1805 and the Alien and sedidtion act? Or the one where Aaron Burr was killing Alexander Hamelton?

Maybe Jacksonian America that included wonderful things like the trail of tears?

America before the Civil War where millions were slaves?

Reconstruction America where millions more were forced into abject poverty as the North punished the south?

Are you speaking of the America of the Robber Barons that pilllaged America and left children chained to work stations with little food and dangerous working conditions?

Are you talking about the Pre-Depression America of speak easy's and gangsters wreaking havoc on America?

or the soup lines of the 1930's and the Hoovervilles? When FDR introduced Socalism to America and while saving some from starvation, led others into instatutionalized poverty for generations?

Are you talking about post WW2 America of the 1940's and early 50's that ended up breading a generation of fools who came of age in the 1960's? When the Beaver was living a perfect life in the subburbs all the while his parents were insuring black folk couldnt drink from the same water fountain the Beav got to dring from?

Or how about those 1960's with the riots and deep socalist agenda of LBJ?

or are you talking about the 1970's and the gas lines and a stagnant economy and runaway inflation?

Or are you talking about the early 80's when we had double digit interest rates?

or the 1990's when we had a technology boom and crazy government regulation forcing banks to make the bad loans that we are dealing with now?

Or are you talking about pre-9/11 2000's when we all thought things were peachy keen while muslim terrorists were about to stick a knife in our ribs?

or post 9/11 when we traded some freedom for some security?


my brother, in every decade of every century of American History we have faced what we face now. and decade after decade we have made the decisions that have made america both great and yet imperfect.

America IS and IDEAL and my friend, there has never been a time when we Americans have fully lived up to it!

I will tell you like Margerate Thatcher told George Sr. Dont go wobbly on me!

[tbpew]

Ferd I appreciate you offering a larger perspective.

I find no pleasure in the failure of my country, my brethren, and my own household, resulting from having brought upon ourselves a trap through reckless acquisition of debt.

We are all linked together by the marketplace wherever we call home.

But I do believe we are seeing the end of something that everyone knew was not sustainable....were pleasingly surprised how long it was sustainable...but are now going to learn that...just because something is slow to come, don't be deceived....we shall reap what we sow.

[Charnock]

First, we are not friends - that I know of.

Second, American sovereignty is dead.

That is the difference.

Our founders are spinning in their graves.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Charnock

First, we are not friends - that I know of.

Second, American sovereignty is dead.

That is the difference.

Our founders are spinning in their graves.

Every large power fails eventually but they all don't lose their sovereignity. Look at England.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Charnock

First, we are not friends - that I know of.

Second, American sovereignty is dead.

That is the difference.

Our founders are spinning in their graves.

So how are you charting your future?
What approach are you taking to best provide for your family in the months and years ahead?