I have not seen any evidence of a close relationship with Barack Obama. I may be mistaken but I think that I remember some candid recordings when Jackson thought his mic was dead when he had some very less than friendly things to say about him. I may have missed it, but I have not seen evidence of a close relationship between them. Jackson does have a penchant for assuming the right to speak for people. I recall him getting involved in several international incidents as a "spokesperson" for all the American people. I guess if you feel conmfortable with that assumption and characterization you should accept this as well.
I'm assuming that you have knowledge of close personal relationships and policy conversations between the two of them?
Jesse Jackson Jr. has a pretty important position in the Obama campaign.
and stew, I did outline quite a few pieces of evidence that supports JJs thesis.
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Jesse Jackson Jr. has a pretty important position in the Obama campaign.
and stew, I did outline quite a few pieces of evidence that supports JJs thesis.
No, I read those and I can more readily accept pointing to those sources. I may be confused here so forgive me if I am, but I thought we were talking about the Rev Jesse Jackson not Jesse Jackson Jr.
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No, I read those and I can more readily accept pointing to those sources. I may be confused here so forgive me if I am, but I thought we were talking about the Rev Jesse Jackson not Jesse Jackson Jr.
are you suggesting the son and the father are worlds apart?
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are you suggesting the son and the father are worlds apart?
Ferd, they are absolutely different in a number of respects. I don't think that BO would ever have Jesse Jackson Sr. in any advisory or other role in his campaign. Sr. has a penchant for saying stupid things and assuming the right to represent people that he has no right to represent. He has done this to all the American people at times, taking it upon himself to go represent all of us in foreign disputes, etc...
But just in case you feel like father and son are infact some Siamese twin political body sharing one brain...take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQFTBfxKss
I think that it is very disengenuous to take the words of a man that we call a nut 99% of the time, whom we all pretty much ignore, and try to use them in this one instance because his ramblings happen to help a your point (I'm not saying "you" as in Ferd, I'm just saying in general.)
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Ferd, they are absolutely different in a number of respects. I don't think that BO would ever have Jesse Jackson Sr. in any advisory or other role in his campaign. Sr. has a penchant for saying stupid things and assuming the right to represent people that he has no right to represent. He has done this to all the American people at times, taking it upon himself to go represent all of us in foreign disputes, etc...
But just in case you feel like father and son are infact some Siamese twin political body sharing one brain...take a look at this:
I think that it is very disengenuous to take the words of a man that we call a nut 99% of the time, whom we all pretty much ignore, and try to use them in this one instance because his ramblings happen to help a your point (I'm not saying "you" as in Ferd, I'm just saying in general.)
Ok lets go with your last statement.
does that apply when RevJJ says something in keeping with other evidence?
As I said in my first post here, I agree with you that RevJJ cant be taken at his own word in general. I certainly havent done that.
However, if he re-says something that has already been said by others, or if his comments are in keeping with a good bit of other evidence, then I think his words provide a spot to stop and reveiew.
That is what I have done here.
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Ferd, they are absolutely different in a number of respects. I don't think that BO would ever have Jesse Jackson Sr. in any advisory or other role in his campaign. Sr. has a penchant for saying stupid things and assuming the right to represent people that he has no right to represent. He has done this to all the American people at times, taking it upon himself to go represent all of us in foreign disputes, etc...
But just in case you feel like father and son are infact some Siamese twin political body sharing one brain...take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQFTBfxKss
I think that it is very disengenuous to take the words of a man that we call a nut 99% of the time, whom we all pretty much ignore, and try to use them in this one instance because his ramblings happen to help a your point (I'm not saying "you" as in Ferd, I'm just saying in general.)
I have never said or thought that JJ was a nut job. I think he's wrong most of the time, I think he's very liberal and I think he's very motivated by self preservation to downplay advances in race relations and overreact to controversies. But I have never said he's a nut job. Farrakhan? Nut Job. Maxine Waters? Nut Job. Michael Moore? Nut Job. JJ? Wrong, liberal, self-serving, but certainly not a whacko.
I think his speculation of an Obama presidency in relationship to Israel is consistent with the preaching of Jeremiah Wright, his relationship with a former Palestinian spokesperson, the views of many other liberal colleagues and his own words.
Like many other things, Obama has in the past year retreated from some of these people and some of his own words, but it causes one to question if the motivation for such is political convenience.
JJs words on their own don't carry too much sway with me, but when you add them to the mix, there seems to be a cake in the making.
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