JUST PREACHERS MAJOR Crackdown! turning WPF???????

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

well there ya have Brother Fred :ursofunn


In his OWN WORDS, James SAUNDERS even agrees that I am right.


I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, his "YES" was that he disagreed with you.

Find his post yet?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

No, his "YES" was that he disagreed with you.Find his post yet?

WRRRRRRONG!!!!!


Gee mike you are hysterical! you can never admit you was wrong!@

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

WRRRRRRONG!!!!!


Gee mike you are hysterical! you can never admit you was wrong!@

I always admit when I'm wrong.

In this case, I'm not.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I always admit when I'm wrong.

In this case, I'm not.

Oh but you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

No, his "YES" was that he disagreed with you.

Find his post yet?

Actually the YES was in response to the bolded "would you agree OR disagree"

LOL

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Actually the YES was in response to the bolded "would you agree OR disagree"

LOL

I know, I'm just messing with Mark.

You feel strongly BOTH ways, lol.

[James Griffin]

Cut and pasted from another thread


THIS SHOULD HELP GET US TO THE 1,000 MARK !!!!

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Early Apostolic attitudes:

* St Clement of Alexandria

o "The hair of the chin showed him to be a man." St Clement of Alexandria (c.195, E), 2.271

o "How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them!…For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He adorned man like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest--a sign of strength and rule." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.275

o "This, then, is the mark of the man, the beard. By this, he is seen to be a man. It is older than Eve. It is the token of the superior nature….It is therefore unholy to desecrate the symbol of manhood, hairiness.” St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.276

o "It is not lawful to pluck out the beard, man’s natural and noble adornment." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.277



* St Cyprian

o "In their manners, there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced." St Cyprian (c. 250, W), 5.438

o "The beard must not be plucked. 'You will not deface the figure of your beard'." (Leviticus 19:27) St. Cyprian, 5.553



* Lactantius

o "The nature of the beard contributes in an incredible degree to distinguish the maturity of bodies, or to distinguish the sex, or to contribute to the beauty of manliness and strength." Lactantius (c. 304-314, W), 7.288



* Apostolic Constitutions

o "Men may not destroy the hair of their beards and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the Law says, “You will not deface your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men." Apostolic Constitutions (compiled c.390, E) 7.392.

Furthermore, in later centuries the pope ordered priests to start being clean shaven around the same time as he mandated celibacy, both were attempts to emasculate the priesthood. The first thing the protestant minsters did to show they were neither celibate nor catholic was grow a beard. Likewise I choose not to be mistaken for a papist !!!



So after much soul searching even though my clean shaven effeminate looking brethren choose to take the pulpit in such an unApostolic condition (although it was the only practice of the first century church) I have decided to not oppose them in the pulpit as long as they don't shave that morning and have at least started their beard.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Cut and pasted from another thread


THIS SHOULD HELP GET US TO THE 1,000 MARK !!!!

_________________________________________________
Early Apostolic attitudes:

* St Clement of Alexandria

o "The hair of the chin showed him to be a man." St Clement of Alexandria (c.195, E), 2.271

o "How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them!…For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He adorned man like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest--a sign of strength and rule." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.275

o "This, then, is the mark of the man, the beard. By this, he is seen to be a man. It is older than Eve. It is the token of the superior nature….It is therefore unholy to desecrate the symbol of manhood, hairiness.” St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.276

o "It is not lawful to pluck out the beard, man’s natural and noble adornment." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.277



* St Cyprian

o "In their manners, there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced." St Cyprian (c. 250, W), 5.438

o "The beard must not be plucked. 'You will not deface the figure of your beard'." (Leviticus 19:27) St. Cyprian, 5.553



* Lactantius

o "The nature of the beard contributes in an incredible degree to distinguish the maturity of bodies, or to distinguish the sex, or to contribute to the beauty of manliness and strength." Lactantius (c. 304-314, W), 7.288



* Apostolic Constitutions

o "Men may not destroy the hair of their beards and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the Law says, “You will not deface your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men." Apostolic Constitutions (compiled c.390, E) 7.392.

Furthermore, in later centuries the pope ordered priests to start being clean shaven around the same time as he mandated celibacy, both were attempts to emasculate the priesthood. The first thing the protestant minsters did to show they were neither celibate nor catholic was grow a beard. Likewise I choose not to be mistaken for a papist !!!



So after much soul searching even though my clean shaven effeminate looking brethren choose to take the pulpit in such an unApostolic condition (although it was the only practice of the first century church) I have decided to not oppose them in the pulpit as long as they don't shave that morning and have at least started their beard.

James, what was your reason for posting all of this??

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by StMark

James, what was your reason for posting all of this??

Read the second line.


"THIS SHOULD HELP GET US TO THE 1,000 MARK" !!!!

Just aiding the cause good buddy.

Surely that's the only reason anyone is still posting here is to help you reach the 1,000 post mark !!!!!

I sure cannot think of any other reason.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Read the second line.


"THIS SHOULD HELP GET US TO THE 1,000 MARK" !!!!

Just aiding the cause good buddy.

Surely that's the only reason anyone is still posting here is to help you reach the 1,000 post mark !!!!!

I sure cannot think of any other reason.

You want me to tell you the real reason I think you posted it??

well, I'm going to answer you anyways. You wanted all the ultra

cons to see your side of it that knowing they are lurking on here .