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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I understand, and appreciate your honesty, Elder.

My point is this - somewhere along the line, the ban on facial hair became paramount with holiness to some, but they really don't know why. I will challenge anyone, including myself, to know what they believe and why they believe it, and that's what I was doing with Mark last night.

Unfortunately, there are "standards" that may have been set for a season in time that become "doctrine".

It is simple facial hair in the 60's & 70's identiifed the hippies-free-love-drugs-anti-establishment. The ministry made a stand. Does it have the EXACT same identifications today? I don't think so. However why the change now? Is it being advocated by holiness minded men or men who are toying with other ideas? The men I have personally known who advocated beards one of the a close personal friend also abandoned other convictions and some of them were definitely Biblical. Fight for the pea patch the next thing will be the barn then the house.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

It is simple facial hair in the 60's & 70's identiifed the hippies-free-love-drugs-anti-establishment. The ministry made a stand. Does it have the EXACT same identifications today? I don't think so. However why the change now? Is it being advocated by holiness minded men or men who are toying with other ideas? The men I have personally known who advocated beards one of the a close personal friend also abandoned other convictions and some of them were definitely Biblical. Fight for the pea patch the next thing will be the barn then the house.

MIke has said over and over that conservative Pentecostals
don't know why they don't wear facial hair when in fact I already
Explained the same thing you said

Facial hair doesn't have the same connotations in every culture
either. in most non white cultures, they don't relate to this whole
hippie thing. That started out as a peace movement against the
viet nam war BUT there is definitley a spirit that's connected to
all of it called the anti christ spirit. That is what many of our
churches wanted to distance itself from.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

MIke has said over and over that conservative Pentecostals
don't know why they don't wear facial hair when in fact I already
Explained the same thing you said

Facial hair doesn't have the same connotations in every culture
either. in most non white cultures, they don't relate to this whole
hippie thing. That started out as a peace movement against the
viet nam war BUT there is definitley a spirit that's connected to
all of it called the anti christ spirit. That is what many of our
churches wanted to distance itself from.

Oh brother, this is a hoot Mark!

Are you really this naive, or are you just stirring the pot again?

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

It is simple facial hair in the 60's & 70's identiifed the hippies-free-love-drugs-anti-establishment. The ministry made a stand. Does it have the EXACT same identifications today? I don't think so. However why the change now? Is it being advocated by holiness minded men or men who are toying with other ideas? The men I have personally known who advocated beards one of the a close personal friend also abandoned other convictions and some of them were definitely Biblical. Fight for the pea patch the next thing will be the barn then the house.

So what happens if some evil group arises who are almost universally clean-shaven. Do we reverse our "standard" on this issue and mandate that everyone must have a full beard in order to distinguish themselves?

There is a pretty sizable global group of people who are so overwhelmingly bald that they are referred to on almost every continent as "skinheads". I would wager that their baldness is a much more universal symbol than facial hair was for hippies. Their baldness is a much more significant break from the norm than facial hair is (in that a greater percentage of men all through history had facial hair than are completely bald). Do we need to make a similar stand on people being completely bald so people can distinguish them.

In my opinion, the issue of facial hair did not even apply to every subset of society in America. There are communities where facial hair was never anything more than a dignified thing. It honestly makes as much sense to me as going to rural America and saying that there should be a standard against wearing blue or red because at a certain place and time it symbolized allegiance to a street gang. Once again as ridiculous as that sounds, much more importance was placed by the street gang in their color than by the hippies in their facial hair.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by tstew

So what happens if some evil group arises who are almost universally clean-shaven. Do we reverse our "standard" on this issue and mandate that everyone must have a full beard in order to distinguish themselves?

There is a pretty sizable global group of people who are so overwhelmingly bald that they are referred to on almost every continent as "skinheads". I would wager that their baldness is a much more universal symbol than facial hair was for hippies. Their baldness is a much more significant break from the norm than facial hair is (in that a greater percentage of men all through history had facial hair than are completely bald). Do we need to make a similar stand on people being completely bald so people can distinguish them.

In my opinion, the issue of facial hair did not even apply to every subset of society in America. There are communities where facial hair was never anything more than a dignified thing. It honestly makes as much sense to me as going to rural America and saying that there should be a standard against wearing blue or red because at a certain place and time it symbolized allegiance to a street gang. Once again as ridiculous as that sounds, much more importance was placed by the street gang in their color than by the hippies in their facial hair.

Tstew, this just makes WAYYYYYYYYYY too much sense to be taken seriously on this thread!

And, besides, as Mark has informed us, the beard prohibition applies only to the white brethren.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Tstew, this just makes WAYYYYYYYYYY too much sense to be taken seriously on this thread!

And, besides, as Mark has informed us, the beard prohibition applies only to the white brethren.

Oh okay, well carry on then

No, seriously we have had black preachers in the past not allowed on the platform because of a mustache. That is just sad to me. Personally, I do recognize to this day that if I wanted to preach in many churches I would have to first shave my beard. I guess the message that God gave me and the anointing on my life would be secondary. It's just sad and difficult to explain.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by tstew

So what happens if some evil group arises who are almost universally clean-shaven. Do we reverse our "standard" on this issue and mandate that everyone must have a full beard in order to distinguish themselves?

There is a pretty sizable global group of people who are so overwhelmingly bald that they are referred to on almost every continent as "skinheads". I would wager that their baldness is a much more universal symbol than facial hair was for hippies. Their baldness is a much more significant break from the norm than facial hair is (in that a greater percentage of men all through history had facial hair than are completely bald). Do we need to make a similar stand on people being completely bald so people can distinguish them.

In my opinion, the issue of facial hair did not even apply to every subset of society in America. There are communities where facial hair was never anything more than a dignified thing. It honestly makes as much sense to me as going to rural America and saying that there should be a standard against wearing blue or red because at a certain place and time it symbolized allegiance to a street gang. Once again as ridiculous as that sounds, much more importance was placed by the street gang in their color than by the hippies in their facial hair.

Bump:

Because I would sincerely like a response from someone who would hold my facial hair against me.


...and because I thought it was a pretty good post

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by tstew

Bump:

Because I would sincerely like a response from someone who would hold my facial hair against me.


...and because I thought it was a pretty good post

Do you pluck your eyebrows?

[tstew]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Do you pluck your eyebrows?

No, but heaven forbid some group decides to use full, natural eyebrows as their own special expression of rebellion...I may have to learn.


TIC...settle down, settle down.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by tstew

No, but heaven forbid some group decides to use full, natural eyebrows as their own special expression of rebellion...I may have to learn.


TIC...settle down, settle down.

Mine are so blond they are hard to see. So sometimes I use (gasp) make-up.