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04-03-2007, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Two challenges to tradition? How about contrasting with scripture instead of tradition?
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This verse is plural, is this for one assembly?
Who are the Apostles of today?
Who is reconized as the Prophet?
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04-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
This verse is plural, is this for one assembly?
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Could be, depending upon the size.
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Who are the Apostles of today?
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Those gifted to oversee several churches.
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Who is reconized as the Prophet?
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Those with the gift and a multitude of signs and wonders, used in the prophetic word. Unfortunately there are too many non-prophet organizations. 
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04-03-2007, 04:16 PM
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Unfortunately there are too many non-prophet organizations. |
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04-03-2007, 08:05 PM
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From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.
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04-03-2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.
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It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.
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while Paul, "the apostle of the uncircumcision," usually travelled as a missionary among the Gentiles (Gal. 2:8). It was characteristic of the apostles and necessary (1) that they should have seen the Lord, and been able to testify of him and of his resurrection from personal knowledge (John 15:27; Acts 1:21, 22; 1 Cor. 9:1; Acts 22:14, 15).
(2.) They must have been immediately called to that office by Christ (Luke 6:13; Gal. 1:1).
(3.) It was essential that they should be infallibly inspired, and thus secured against all error and mistake in their public teaching, whether by word or by writing (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 Thess. 2:13).
(4.) Another qualification was the power of working miracles (Mark 16:20; Acts 2:43; 1 Cor. 12:8-11). The apostles therefore could have had no successors. They are the only authoritative teachers of the Christian doctrines. The office of an apostle ceased with its first holders. In 2 Cor. 8:23 and Phil. 2:25 the word "messenger" is the rendering of the same Greek word, elsewhere rendered "apostle."
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
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04-03-2007, 08:20 PM
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It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.
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Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn.
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04-03-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn. |
Good post, and exactly right.
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04-03-2007, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Many things are said over a UPC pulpit you can't take to the bank. The statement is incorrect if there are no apostles then the rest of the five-fold is over also they are in the same verse. Eph. 4:11 Several years ago Elder Norris and Hicks had a written discussion on this and Hicks creamed his corn. |
If any one claims they are Apostle so-n-so, them I will steer clear.
Too many nuts out there claiming they are of God ruining lives.
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04-04-2007, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
If any one claims they are Apostle so-n-so, them I will steer clear.
Too many nuts out there claiming they are of God ruining lives.
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But many more that are helping God.
You see the glass half empty.
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04-04-2007, 10:15 AM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Originally Posted by COOPER
It was said over a UPC puplit that if anyone that is an Apostle has seen Jesus in person.
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Did Paul see Jesus? (don't remember that being so) and he was called an Apostle in the scriptures....
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