If Physical Death is Final?

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Originally Posted by Antipas

The UR believer believes that those who are NOT saved will suffer God's judgment and that the effects of that judgment indeed are eternal. So it's impossible to say that the UR believer doesn't believe in eternal judgment. But as you said above...they simply don't agree with you about the nature and purpose of that eternal judgment.

So, on what grounds do you denounce them as being unworthy of your fellowship?

On the grounds of disagreement about eternal judgment. I already said that. We must be in agreement with Heb 6's six principles. We cannot each have our own version of it, and fellowship because we claim we each believe those six principles but in actuality disagree with each other over what they even refer to. We have to agree that a certain belief is the correct one and is that which the principle intends, and all believe that single understanding in unity.

Not all being saved from wrath, but all ultimately winding up with eternal life in glory with Jesus, is a far cry from saying not all are saved from wrath from which no one can be delivered or reconciled.

It's not as complicated as you are saying it is.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

On the grounds of disagreement about eternal judgment. I already said that. We must be in agreement with Heb 6's six principles. We cannot each have our own version of it, and fellowship because we claim we each believe those six principles but in actuality disagree with each other over what they even refer to. We have to agree that a certain belief is the correct one and is that which the principle intends, and all believe that single understanding in unity.

Not all being saved from wrath, but all ultimately winding up with eternal life in glory with Jesus, is a far cry from saying not all are saved from wrath from which no one can be delivered or reconciled.

It's not as complicated as you are saying it is.

If God gives the Holy Ghost to UR believers...I don't see how you can argue against having fellowship with them. I break it down kind of like this personally...

Essential Doctrine:
Oneness of God
Acts 2:38 as the full plan of salvation
Christian living
Bodily Return of Jesus Christ

Non Essential Doctrine:
Eschatology (Prophecy)
Eschatology (What happens after death, including UR, soul sleep, etc.)
Various standards of dress and hair
Calvinism
Armenianism

I'd never disfellowship a brother or a sister based on a non-essential teaching. We're more mature than that. UR teaching has no bearing on one's salvation. A believer can be of a UR opinion and be saved, they might discover that their concept was incorrect when they stand before the Lord...but we're all going to find that many things we believe are incorrect when we stand before the Lord. I look at it like this...if a man obeys Acts 2:38 just before he dies, though he believed in UR God will welcome him into Heaven.

But here's the rub...if I don't love my brother, Jesus promises me that I won't be accepted into Heaven. In my mind...that includes the brother who disagrees with me on a theological non-essential. I'd rather be judged has having loved too much....than not enough.

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Originally Posted by Antipas

If God gives the Holy Ghost to UR believers...I don't see how you can argue against having fellowship with them. I break it down kind of like this personally...

Essential Doctrine:
Oneness of God
Acts 2:38 as the full plan of salvation
Christian living
Bodily Return of Jesus Christ

Non Essential Doctrine:
Eschatology (Prophecy)
Eschatology (What happens after death, including UR, soul sleep, etc.)
Various standards of dress and hair
Calvinism
Armenianism

Essential doctrine is comprised of the six principles in Hebrews 6, bro. That is my whole point. Principles are foundations.

I'd never disfellowship a brother or a sister based on a non-essential teaching.

Exactly. But you are not realizing that the principles of Hebrews 6 are foundational principles and we must agree on those six elements.