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11-26-2008, 04:24 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
Considering the organization Papa Leon was a part of, there isn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus.
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If you read a little about their history, being dragged all over the country, living by faith, income tied to meetings, put on the pretend thing around people so you don't mess with getting Dad meetings canceled, etc. After a while it plays on a kids head, emotional makeup and eventually resent the ministry. Not in every case. Throw in whatever Dad did, most likely some inconsistencies you get a receipe for a group of kids not wanting whatever troubled their family so much. Ministry and Revivalism doesn't equate with Jesus, most likely they never really encountered Jesus.
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11-26-2008, 04:28 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
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Considering the organization Papa Leon was a part of, there isn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus.
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Your plain wrong, I encountered Jesus and a whole lot more with said organization.
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11-26-2008, 04:31 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
I feel really good about the boys chances at redemption. When they realize relationship with Christ is different than religiosity they will begin their journey.
It is unfair to suggest these guys never had a real encounter with Jesus. Many people do have a genuine experience with Christ, but the experience gets lost in religion burdens established by denominational thinking.
I have a feeling those guys haven't shut the door on Christ. I pray the revelation of who Jesus is overpowers the false illusion that religion portrays.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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11-26-2008, 04:34 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
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Originally Posted by tv1a
I feel really good about the boys chances at redemption. When they realize relationship with Christ is different than religiosity they will begin their journey.
It is unfair to suggest these guys never had a real encounter with Jesus. Many people do have a genuine experience with Christ, but the experience gets lost in religion burdens established by denominational thinking.
I have a feeling those guys haven't shut the door on Christ. I pray the revelation of who Jesus is overpowers the false illusion that religion portrays.
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For sure Denominationalism can be a burden to some, an obstacle to others, but in some cases Unites many around a certain cause or teaching. But often as the years go by the original intent is lost.
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11-26-2008, 05:28 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Considering the organization Papa Leon was a part of, there isn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a
It is unfair to suggest these guys never had a real encounter with Jesus. Many people do have a genuine experience with Christ, but the experience gets lost in religion burdens established by denominational thinking.
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But isn't that what you are suggesting? That there wasn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus? Incredible!
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-26-2008, 07:07 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
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But isn't that what you are suggesting? That there wasn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus? Incredible!
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Yup.
He basically contradicted himself in those 2 back-to-back posts.
I thought that was kind of strange.
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Anyway, despite its flaws, I believe the Lord has used the UPCI organization to bring millions of people into a real relationship with him, myself included. I'm very appreciative of that.
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11-27-2008, 04:09 AM
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Re: Kings of Leon
I didn't think the posts was that unclear or contradictory. I didn't shut the door completely. The assumption was made these boys did not have a "Real Encounter" with God. I mentioned it is difficult, not impossible for people to have a "Real Encounter" with Christ in that organiziation. The other posts said if the band had an encounter with Jesus, it was smothered by religion.
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But isn't that what you are suggesting? That there wasn't much of a chance for a real encounter with Jesus? Incredible!
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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11-27-2008, 04:12 AM
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Re: Kings of Leon
well it does seem contradictory.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-27-2008, 04:50 AM
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Re: Kings of Leon
I can understand on initial review of posts how it could seem contradictiory. It appears the little window of opportunity I gave in my original post wasn't caught.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
well it does seem contradictory.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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11-26-2008, 07:23 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon
Only about 24 hours. I see things haven't changed a whole lot around here. LOL! 
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