Kings of Leon

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by aak1972

Oh believe me I know its an individual flaw. I am just pointing out what I have seen repeatedly. It does not take long for young people to figure out how to fool adults into believing things. It just amazes me how this same thing is still goin on with "some" young people. You would think the ministry would see through this.

THE MINISTRY DOES SEE THROUGH THIS!!! I believe that lots of these guys know exactly what is going on but it looks so much better to have a bunch of "on fire" youth group that you can brag about at district events. It is called playing church and nobody does it better that kids growing up in the UPC. Then you get to the point where people think that church isn't any good unless people are running the aisles. I have heard them say that "God wasn't there" or "that is a dead church".

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

THE MINISTRY DOES SEE THROUGH THIS!!! I believe that lots of these guys know exactly what is going on but it looks so much better to have a bunch of "on fire" youth group that you can brag about at district events. It is called playing church and nobody does it better that kids growing up in the UPC. Then you get to the point where people think that church isn't any good unless people are running the aisles. I have heard them say that "God wasn't there" or "that is a dead church".

Sad but true, I was a youth Pastor for a unamed Pastor who told me that my job was to get the Youth Fired up so that they would jump and shout when he preached.

I was wanting to get them grounded in a relationship with Jesus, and cling to him as their only hope. Essentially deal with root issues rather than fruit.

[aak1972]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Sad but true, I was a youth Pastor for a unamed Pastor who told me that my job was to get the Youth Fired up so that they would jump and shout when he preached.

I was wanting to get them grounded in a relationship with Jesus, and cling to him as their only hope. Essentially deal with root issues rather than fruit.

I wonder why they always wanna see this "fruit" from the teenagers. I agree with you, they need a root sytem and good watering and fertilizing before you can get good fruit. I for one got tired of that mentallity. But when i spoke up I was labeled as possesed by the enemy. I just wanted to hunt and fish and be a normal redneck.