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12-16-2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by 2020Vision
Fact is, I don't remember telling a smoker they are going to hell. Never had to. We preach against it and let them know it doesn't please God. It goes without saying. I'm not missing his point at all. This is like a child getting caught, trying to complain about everything his brother did to get him out of the trouble he's in.
Some of you like blanket, tidy consistency and are afraid to approach issues one-by-one. A glutton, one who is given to vicious appetities and overeating, is surely in sin. I think they are BOTH sinning. There!
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This is the most insidious kind of legalism--the kind that wants to turn the New Testament into just another rule book, sort of a kinder, gentler, more permissive version of the law.
And if we can't find a specific Scripture forbidding it, it is fair game.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-16-2008, 12:17 PM
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Incredible India
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by 2020Vision
Fact is, I don't remember telling a smoker they are going to hell. Never had to. We preach against it and let them know it doesn't please God. It goes without saying. I'm not missing his point at all. This is like a child getting caught, trying to complain about everything his brother did to get him out of the trouble he's in.
Some of you like blanket, tidy consistency and are afraid to approach issues one-by-one. A glutton, one who is given to vicious appetities and overeating, is surely in sin. I think they are BOTH sinning. There!
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And I am not one of these.
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12-16-2008, 12:17 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by Jeanie
Wow!!!! Wow!!!!
First of all I didn't miss anything....you are using one theory under which must apply to every single believer and it doesn't work that way in the real world.
People have to be taught,
Secondly I don't think you have a clue as what is happening in my church.
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I don't have a clue, Jeanie. Once again, never said I KNEW. "MAYBE" implies a theory, a guess. We believe in teaching. I've also seen many people take care of things all on their own, without a person telling them. Just last service we had a young man do something all on his own. Teaching is crucial. The Spirit does a whole lot of teaching too.
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12-16-2008, 12:17 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by jtork
You don't even make any sense now - LOL
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His mind works differently.  But, sometimes he's right.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-16-2008, 12:18 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
I gotta go and scan pictures of my grandbabies to show y'all. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-16-2008, 12:18 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by Amos
This is the most insidious kind of legalism--the kind that wants to turn the New Testament into just another rule book, sort of a kinder, gentler, more permissive version of the law.
And if we can't find a specific Scripture forbidding it, it is fair game.
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"let the Spiritual judge"
Brother, you can use your code words all day "legalism", "Pharisee" (others use), "rules", but I'm just telling you that you're wrong. It's not a rule book to make spiritual decisions on issues. It's responsibility.
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12-16-2008, 12:20 PM
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Incredible India
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by 2020Vision
I don't have a clue, Jeanie. Once again, never said I KNEW. "MAYBE" implies a theory, a guess. We believe in teaching. I've also seen many people take care of things all on their own, without a person telling them. Just last service we had a young man do something all on his own. Teaching is crucial. The Spirit does a whole lot of teaching too.
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I know it does,
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12-16-2008, 12:21 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by 2020Vision
"let the Spiritual judge"
Brother, you can use your code words all day "legalism", "Pharisee" (others use), "rules", but I'm just telling you that you're wrong. It's not a rule book to make spiritual decisions on issues. It's responsibility.
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Bro, I agree with you.
I am describing the mindset of the Pharisee hunters here--that is how they view the Scripture.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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12-16-2008, 12:21 PM
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Incredible India
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by Cindy
I gotta go and scan pictures of my grandbabies to show y'all. |
They are cute! My 2 yr old, was noticing the tractor one of them is riding! 
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12-16-2008, 12:23 PM
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Re: May I smoke here??!
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Originally Posted by aak1972
I would like to know why tobacco is a sin? Is it b/c its unhealthy? If thats the case a lot of things could be added to the list. Sugar, sodium, and phenylalanine. The last one is found in diet drinks and is known to cause multiple health issues. Is it b/c of the addiction? I have read that nicotine has the same addictive qualities as herion. If thats the case we should still adhere to the preachers I heard years ago preaching against caffiene.
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Nicotine Dependence 305.1 Is a diagnosed mental illness. Enough said!
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