May I smoke here??!

[aak1972]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Has anyone ever thought of looking at some of these issues more dynamically? Rather than labeling everything a sin and then pressuring people to conform, maybe just maybe if we stressed a closer walk with Jesus on a spiritual level people's hearts and minds would be changed to the point that they would stop leaning on stuff like food and tobacco for support and lean on Jesus?

Best idea I have heard all day!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by aak1972

I had a nearly 12 cokes a day habit! I know first hand the health and addictive nature of soft drinks!

that would be quite sinful if you ask me!

[aak1972]

Originally Posted by Ferd

great! then you now have your answer!

Almost! Yea I found it to be also! I hated the fact that I was addicted more than the health issues!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ferd

well brother, concerning diet drinks, I have always taken a HARD stand against them!

LOL.

the question is, are they harmful in moderation? ie 1 drink or less a day?

I am coming around to viewing High Fructose Corn Syrup as very damaging to the human body almost as damaging as cigerettes.

Yep!

So is the difference to you the habitual side of smoking that makes it worse to you?

Actually, I'm a carboholic - - which is damaging too, so we are back to the orginal question - - is it a sin too?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Has anyone ever thought of looking at some of these issues more dynamically? Rather than labeling everything a sin and then pressuring people to conform, maybe just maybe if we stressed a closer walk with Jesus on a spiritual level people's hearts and minds would be changed to the point that they would stop leaning on stuff like food and tobacco for support and lean on Jesus?

Prax, what you are suggesting is that we practice good teaching.... that is what Ive pretty much been given my whole life.


but I grew up in the home of a God called teacher (not a preacher). So maybe I am blessed.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Prax, what you are suggesting is that we practice good teaching.... that is what Ive pretty much been given my whole life.


but I grew up in the home of a God called teacher (not a preacher). So maybe I am blessed.

Moderation - - that was what I was taught all my life.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yep!

So is the difference to you the habitual side of smoking that makes it worse to you?

Actually, I'm a carboholic - - which is damaging too, so we are back to the orginal question - - is it a sin too?

Renda, there is nothing redeming about smoking. nothing. everything about nicotine in all its forms is first harmful to the human body from ones first encounter. Putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger isnt addictive but it is harmful. I dont suggest it.

the addictive nature of smoking is just one more reason to add to the already deadly reasons not to smoke, and to consider the use of nicotine sinful.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Moderation - - that was what I was taught all my life.

Moderation where there is something of value. Not moderation with something that has no value.


You cannot have moderation in adultry. You cannot have moderation in gluttany, you cannot have moderation in smoking.


You can eat bacon in moderation. You can drink caffiene in moderation.

you can even eat ice cream in moderation (or so I have heard)....I would even argue that a glass of wine is not only moderate but biblical...although I do not drink alcohol.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Moderation where there is something of value. Not moderation with something that has no value.


You cannot have moderation in adultry. You cannot have moderation in gluttany, you cannot have moderation in smoking.


You can eat bacon in moderation. You can drink caffiene in moderation.

you can even eat ice cream in moderation (or so I have heard)....I would even argue that a glass of wine is not only moderate but biblical...although I do not drink alcohol.

Agreed!

[aak1972]

Ok people I get to leave the office now! If I offended anyone please accept my apologies! I do admit I had my own selfish agenda on this thread. I have also been made aware that I am addicted to arguements. So I will try to break this addiction starting with AFF. My goal is to stay away from the argumentative threads.