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Give up red meat
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Give up red meat, but start looking for a new church home
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eat red meat, but be very careful when and with who
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Go out for dinner after church and order steak on the house
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01-04-2009, 11:44 PM
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Seriously? So it's unacceptable to hold views to the contrary? One should simply clone the beliefs of the church's highest leader?
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Do you speak in God's stead?
Are you a Pastor of Pastors?
If what one teaches is not Biblical-leave.
If you are holding beliefs contrary to the leader, you should leave if it bothers you.
If you try to usurp his authority you are gonna get on God's bad side.
Remember Uzza & the Ark?
The priests were mishandling the ark and it stumbled?
God smote Uzzah when he attempted to cross into territory that he wasn't supposed to.
Better to have let God deal with the situation.
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01-05-2009, 05:38 AM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Ron
Do you speak in God's stead?
Are you a Pastor of Pastors?
If what one teaches is not Biblical-leave.
If you are holding beliefs contrary to the leader, you should leave if it bothers you.
If you try to usurp his authority you are gonna get on God's bad side.
Remember Uzza & the Ark?
The priests were mishandling the ark and it stumbled?
God smote Uzzah when he attempted to cross into territory that he wasn't supposed to.
Better to have let God deal with the situation.
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You do have a bit stronger view on this than I. IMO usurping authority in such a case would be impossible, because the leaders would have no such authority in personal decisions. It would be outside the scope of his authority.
Furthermore, in this case, the reach for the rule of law would be against the people who have the "ark" living inside them.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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01-05-2009, 05:06 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Ron
Do you speak in God's stead?
Are you a Pastor of Pastors?
If what one teaches is not Biblical-leave.
If you are holding beliefs contrary to the leader, you should leave if it bothers you.
If you try to usurp his authority you are gonna get on God's bad side.
Remember Uzza & the Ark?
The priests were mishandling the ark and it stumbled?
God smote Uzzah when he attempted to cross into territory that he wasn't supposed to.
Better to have let God deal with the situation.
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I am a very strong proponent of "submit or remove" but I believe your post is an oversimplification of it.
What if a family has invested their whole lives in a church only to have a new pastor come in and start issuing fruity mandates like this one?
I don't think it is as easy as submit or remove in that case.
Someone needs to very kindly let the pastor know that he is out of bounds.
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01-05-2009, 05:09 PM
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I am a very strong proponent of "submit or remove" but I believe your post is an oversimplification of it.
What if a family has invested their whole lives in a church only to have a new pastor come in and start issuing fruity mandates like this one?
I don't think it is as easy as submit or remove in that case.
Someone needs to very kindly let the pastor know that he is out of bounds.
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I can see your point & while I don't hold Pastors as God's there is a way to deal with issues in leadership.
Just ask Miriam.
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01-05-2009, 05:41 PM
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Ron
I can see your point & while I don't hold Pastors as God's there is a way to deal with issues in leadership.
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I'd be interested to hear some of "those ways". Any preaching I ever heard was "If the pastor gets outa line, God will take care of it, not the saints!"
I do agree w/ what Edward said, One should be able to let him know in a kind way, when he's out of bounds.
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01-05-2009, 05:47 PM
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by shag
I'd be interested to hear some of "those ways". Any preaching I ever heard was "If the pastor gets outa line, God will take care of it, not the saints!"
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That is why a Pastor has a Presbyter or a DS.
If you are really in a knot about it & you have prayed about it then these Scriptures apply to a Pastor as well as a Saint.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
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01-05-2009, 08:02 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: Will you give up red meat?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I am a very strong proponent of "submit or remove" but I believe your post is an oversimplification of it.
What if a family has invested their whole lives in a church only to have a new pastor come in and start issuing fruity mandates like this one?
I don't think it is as easy as submit or remove in that case.
Someone needs to very kindly let the pastor know that he is out of bounds.
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Indeed. Some families have as much or more vested in the church and community than a leader.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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