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Old 01-21-2009, 07:35 PM
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I have absolutely no dog in this fight. Actually, my Canadian "white" ancesters smuggled the black slaves accross the border.

But the "whites" started to do right long ago. 1969 they did right. The "whites" have been working to right the wrongs of thier ancesters for many years now.

There are still bigots yes... there are people here in my country who speak derogatively toward the Aboriginal (that's the PC term for Indian) people... but I wouldn't like it if an Aboriginal was voted in as our first Prime Minister and a fellow aboriginal made the "white do what's right" comment in his prayer.

The aboriginals were treated poorly in this country... the history is there and cannot be changed. Racism and bigotry will likely always have a head somewhere... you can't stamp out something like that completely. Sin is sin. Hate is hate.

But things have changed and are changing.

As I said before... I don't know this Reverand's motives. I prefer to think he was just trying to come up with a good rhyme and didn't think it through.

I still do not think it was a good thing to say. It only brought more strife back to the surface.

America just freely elected thier first African American President. It think the "whites" have spoken just as clearly as any other color has.
The past is past, the future is clear, and the "whites" are doing right.

(and Barb, you know I abosolutely love you and am in no way taking sides.. just giving my unbiased Canadian opinion)
White people died too trying to get those civil rights because they were associated with blacks...I wonder how they might feel,dead, being told thye did not do right.

Im sorry but that is a negative sweeping generalization no matter how anyone tries to explain it away as the only word that rhymed with white...

Hey, why not sa "And white makes might"? That would have went over well. How about "And whites helpin us fight"?
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:38 PM
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White people died too trying to get those civil rights because they were associated with blacks...I wonder how they might feel,dead, being told thye did not do right.

Im sorry but that is a negative sweeping generalization no matter how anyone tries to explain it away as the only word that rhymed with white...

Hey, why not sa "And white makes might"? That would have went over well. How about "And whites helpin us fight"?
I wish he had thought it through just a teeny bit more.
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I wish he had thought it through just a teeny bit more.
I think he did think it through. That was rather deliberate. It didn't take me more than one read to see that it was negative lol
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I think he did think it through. That was rather deliberate. It didn't take me more than one read to see that it was negative lol
I know zip about this man who prayed. Maybe if I knew more about him personally and his past I might feel stronger a certain way.

I just know it wasn't a smart thing for him to say. I'm sorry he said it.
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I think he did think it through. That was rather deliberate. It didn't take me more than one read to see that it was negative lol

I agree with this post.


Rev. Lowery's assertion was deliberate. I wouldn't call him a racist, but his prayer reflects an amount of bitterness that I'm sure will NEVER go away, no matter how much progress is made.

His American experience, like my Dad's experience has been quite bitter. That can't be changed. Does this excuse his "poisoning of the wells", no.

It is wrong to ignore the FACT that whites (even Jews) helped to fight to bring justice for all in this Country

However, I do understand where he's coming from.

The difference between my Dad and Rev Lowery is my Dad wouldn't have made such a sweeping, negative generalization at a time of obvious unity and racial peace.

May God grant His Servant, Rev Lowery, peace and grace in His heart.
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I agree with this post.


Rev. Lowery's assertion was deliberate. I wouldn't call him a racist, but his prayer reflects an amount of bitterness that I'm sure will NEVER go away, no matter how much progress is made.

His American experience, like my Dad's experience has been quite bitter. That can't be changed. Does this excuse his "poisoning of the wells", no.

It is wrong to ignore the FACT that whites (even Jews) helped to fight to bring justice for all in this Country

However, I do understand where he's coming from.

The difference between my Dad and Rev Lowery is my Dad wouldn't have made such a sweeping, negative generalization at a time of obvious unity and racial peace.

May God grant His Servant, Rev Lowery, peace and grace in His heart.
Thank you. You understood my point exactly
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