Obey Them that Rule???

Originally Posted by tbpew

In whatever manner we construct a NT witness that establishes RULERS within the body of Christ, rather than the operation of giftings in the form of bondservants of our Lord, we have begun to sow the veil that was rent from top to bottom.

How does one sow (meaning to plant seed) the veil that was torn from top to bottom?

The rule of men, other than (or in addition to) Jesus Christ our Lord, among the members of God's anointed body is anti-God's governance throughout the diversity of his own body.

Whenever Paul planted churches, he appointed elders (more than one) in each church. Those elders exercised authority in the Church, they ruled in the Church under the direction of the Holy Ghost.

If the greatest among us are to be servants to all, how have servants become masters of their own master's servants?

In taking the passage out of context (the passage where Jesus said he who would be great among you, let him be your servant), you deny not only Paul's appointing of elders but also the leadership role exercised by the apostles and elders in the Jerusalem church, and you deny the scripture that says "obey them that have the rule over you."

No man can have two masters.

Just because elders have the rule over us doesn't make them our masters.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

How does one sow (meaning to plant seed) the veil that was torn from top to bottom?
Hooray for Chan!, Your apparent core purpose for db posting has a few more key strokes added to it! Yippee! Great job! whoo hoo!

Whenever Paul planted churches, he appointed elders (more than one) in each church. Those elders exercised authority in the Church, they ruled in the Church under the direction of the Holy Ghost.

In taking the passage out of context (the passage where Jesus said he who would be great among you, let him be your servant), you deny not only Paul's appointing of elders but also the leadership role exercised by the apostles and elders in the Jerusalem church, and you deny the scripture that says "obey them that have the rule over you."

Just because elders have the rule over us doesn't make them our masters.

Chan,
I am thrilled to be in complele disagreement with your view of a multi-headed body of Christ.

Originally Posted by tbpew

Chan,
I am thrilled to be in complele disagreement with your view of a multi-headed body of Christ.

The Body of Christ is a hydra?

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

The Body of Christ is a hydra?

Hyrda! I wish. Then (presuming it was a chip off the ol' block) would only have a 100 heads or so.

For one member-minister org there are around 3500 to 8000 heads (depending on how you count local-licensed heads).

I am hoping that when the member-minister constituents look around and see "hey, we don't have one head, we are just many members striving for unity in the shared experience", they may arrive at a general consensus that this condition is the same for the entire membership of the body of Christ.