What do you think of this?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think Dano has made it pretty clear what the UPC pastor needs to do. Safe not to infer ... he's suggesting disfellowship?

Again, no. If you want to call it that, but I just see it as a means to help stop what he explained from continuing

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by edjen01

1. i think i covered this in another post...but "NO". I would not practice or promote it...but I cannot make a blanket statement regarding what others may think they are suppose or entitled to do

Why not? Why not practice it or promote it if there is nothing wrong with it?

3. now you are asking me to judge another's servant...and I will not do this. He will answer to God for his teaching and practices.

No I am not. Im asking you to decide of such a pratice presents a healthy atmosphere to be in. Am I asking you to judge the strip joint owner if I asked "is it a healthy place to be"???

4. i do not consider someone trying to get people in my church to go to another church a "division". this may be where we are speaking different languages. if someone chooses to leave my church...for whatever reason...why would I consider that division and not that God has something better for them? i do not consider this division.

If someone is trying to GET them to leave is he not causing division IN your church? Why would you consider someone that looks at your church as a means of making theirs larger by actively, over and over and over calling those saints in your church and convincing them to leave your church? Or visiting your church regularly and convincing membes to leave? Why would you assume that was God having better things for them and not rather a wolf that does not care about souls but about numbers?

Should you be concerned that another church in town is actively trying to divide your congregation? Actively trying to take saints OUT of your congregation to fill their own congregation, not because they view them as lost souls as they are doctrinally the same.{No. the other church is not my concern. if people choose to leave because they think another church is better...doctinally...better music...better whatever...why would i want them to stay? or try to guilt them into staying? trust that God will work all things for the good.} Do you think such a church would be a healthy place for YOUR saints to be in?{if they leave the place where I minister then they are not my concern. they are not my saints...they are His. He lets me feed, love, and care for them while they are at this time and place in thier journey. this does not make them mine. and when/if they choose to leave...i will trust that God will lead them on to bigger and better things.} Would you not be concerned that another church is trying to convince the saints under your pastorship away?{NO. i do not concern myself with other churches. if I have taught the Word with love...then I trust that the Spirit of Truth will help those in question make the right choice.} When there is a whole city of lost souls to win?

I am not asking if you are concerned about "what the other church is doing" but how it affects YOUR church by over and over trying to get members to leave?

If you are entrusted by God to Pastor those saints, why would you have such a nonchalant attitude with this? That does not make sense.,

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow....well. I take back what I said, but WOW...not unethical?

I wonder if it would be unethical of me to try to convince that persons friend to stop being his or her friend and be mine?

i guess i just don't view things like you do....and i assume thats ok?

my answer is NO. its that friends choice to be my friend or not. if you choose to sway them by doing something immoral or enthical....thats between you and God. i will not be a party to it....for or against.

again....i have too much faith in my Dad to think that He will allow me to be forsaken...or not have my very best interest at heart...and so long as i follow Him...then all things work together....even the things I think are wrong, bad, unethical, etc...He makes it all work for my good....and i love that about Him.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why not? Why not practice it or promote it if there is nothing wrong with it?


No I am not. Im asking you to decide of such a pratice presents a healthy atmosphere to be in. Am I asking you to judge the strip joint owner if I asked "is it a healthy place to be"???


If someone is trying to GET them to leave is he not causing division IN your church? Why would you consider someone that looks at your church as a means of making theirs larger by actively, over and over and over calling those saints in your church and convincing them to leave your church? Or visiting your church regularly and convincing membes to leave? Why would you assume that was God having better things for them and not rather a wolf that does not care about souls but about numbers?


I am not asking if you are concerned about "what the other church is doing" but how it affects YOUR church by over and over trying to get members to leave?

If you are entrusted by God to Pastor those saints, why would you have such a nonchalant attitude with this? That does not make sense.,

Praxeas....i do respect your opinion...and you are certainly entitled to it. I hope that you grant me the same. I have enjoyed sharing with you...and you with me.

I will not go back through all this stuff...mainly because i do not have the time.

I do take exception with your last comment. My calling and how I feel God would have me best love, care for, and feed those He has placed under my care....is what I must do. I take exception that you would think that I have a nonchalant attitude toward this simply because it does not make sense to you. The other side does not make sense to me either...but if thats the path you feel God wants you to take....then God bless and I pray you prosper.

its been fun.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by edjen01

i guess i just don't view things like you do....and i assume thats ok?

my answer is NO. its that friends choice to be my friend or not. if you choose to sway them by doing something immoral or enthical....thats between you and God. i will not be a party to it....for or against.

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Is it unethical for that person to try to sway your friend to not be your friend?

Why would you not be a party to it if it is not unethical or immoral?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by edjen01

Praxeas....i do respect your opinion...and you are certainly entitled to it. I hope that you grant me the same. I have enjoyed sharing with you...and you with me.

I will not go back through all this stuff...mainly because i do not have the time.

I do take exception with your last comment. My calling and how I feel God would have me best love, care for, and feed those He has placed under my care....is what I must do. I take exception that you would think that I have a nonchalant attitude toward this simply because it does not make sense to you. The other side does not make sense to me either...but if thats the path you feel God wants you to take....then God bless and I pray you prosper.

its been fun.

I didn't say you have a nonchalant attitude because it does not make sense to me. I said your nonchalant attitude towards this does not make sense to me. If those sheep are entrusted to your care then don't you care if they are being taught right, taught to act right?

BTW unethical
not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices

So you are saying this act, including the one of someone trying to take a friend away conforms to approved standards of social and or professional behavior?

I think everyone here agrees it is unethical, not necessarily immoral

BTW yes you are welcome to have your opinion but you can be sure if I disagree I am going to say so and why

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is it unethical for that person to try to sway your friend to not be your friend?

Why would you not be a party to it if it is not unethical or immoral?

It could all be effectively mananged if everyone received a mark in their right hand or in their forehead that identified them and the proper church to which they "belong."

No one would be allowed to attend a church or to sing in a choir unless they received the mark. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the church attendance mark: it is the number of the man (pastor), and his number is inversely proportional to the square root of the number of his choir.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Unethical and immoral are not the same thing ... right?

Not necessarily, but they can cross paths.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

It could all be effectively mananged if everyone received a mark in their right hand or in their forehead that identified them and the proper church to which they "belong."

No one would be allowed to attend a church or to sing in a choir unless they received the mark. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the church attendance mark: it is the number of the man (pastor), and his number is inversely proportional to the square root of the number of his choir.

There is nothing wrong with attending or visiting other churches nor is it said they "belong"...is it ethical to practice what we've been talking about?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

It could all be effectively mananged if everyone received a mark in their right hand or in their forehead that identified them and the proper church to which they "belong."

No one would be allowed to attend a church or to sing in a choir unless they received the mark. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the church attendance mark: it is the number of the man (pastor), and his number is inversely proportional to the square root of the number of his choir.