Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss - Page 4

BrotherEastman · #31 01-29-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

How then would you describe sin cohabiting with the Holy Ghost. Because I know of Holy Ghost filled folks that have lied. Now if the Holy Spirit can not co-habit with sin, are you saying they lose the HG and get refilled after they repent?

How would you describe this?

Sis, in my own opinion (and that's all it is) I do not believe the the Holy Ghost will inhabit a man with a devil. I believe it is quite possible to sin even if one has the Holy Ghost because of a carnal nature as opposed to a demonic nature. I think we have more of a battle fighting our flesh than the devil.

Jack Shephard · #32 01-29-2009, 02:09 PM

Possesed-no, opressed-yes.

TRFrance · #33 01-29-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

DT and TRF you say it is not possible. Explain then how a person can speak in tongues and it be from God and have a spirit cast out at the same time?

That's anecdotal stuff.

I go by what I see in the word, not what some preacher says. There are lots of things I've heard said, by preachers that I have respect for... but if I cant line it up with scripture, I cant just accept it as being truth.

I'm not going to definitively say it's not possible. But I'll definitely say there's nothing in scripture that tells me it is.

And if someone is going to tell me it can happen, they've got to do better than telling me there are "multiple rooms" within man. I don't see any scripture for that either.

I'm just sayin'...

TJJJ · #34 01-29-2009, 02:10 PM

Much of what people are fighting, as pertaining to spirits, is oppression, not possesion. As far as us being multiple rooms, wow, I never heard that before. Almost sounds like Christian Schytzophrenic!

mfblume · #35 01-29-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

OK.
So what scripture verses support the idea that there are "multiple rooms" within man?

1 thess 5:23. No physical rooms, remember. God is a Spirit. Physical rooms are not the issue. Principally, you are not to put a candle under a bushel. The spirit of a man is the candle of the Lord. And He "lights" our spirits with His Spirit. And our souls can act like bushels with carnal minds and wicked thoughts. And His light is hindered from influencing into our souls by His Spirit.

mfblume · #36 01-29-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Much of what people are fighting, as pertaining to spirits, is oppression, not possesion. As far as us being multiple rooms, wow, I never heard that before. Almost sounds like Christian Schytzophrenic!

Unless you believe spirit and soul are the same thing, you will see the distinction. Rooms are only as close as I can get to describing the distinction of indwelling places. Neither God nor evil spirits are physical. Explain how one man called a demoniac had 2,000 demons. It is not a phyiscal issue.

Paul said give no ROOM (place) to the devil.

mfblume · #37 01-29-2009, 02:17 PM

Ananias was a believer.

Acts 5:3 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

mfblume · #38 01-29-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

The bible says our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost...again it does not say our body is a travel lodge for the Holy Ghost and demons

The bible says that as it rebukes people for treating it otherwise.

This has always been controversial. Some will disagree forever on either side. We're just giving our views.

Esther · #39 01-29-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

That's anecdotal stuff.

I go by what I see in the word, not what some preacher says. There are lots of things I've heard said, by preachers that I have respect for... but if I cant line it up with scripture, I cant just accept it as being truth.

I'm not going to definitively say it's not possible. But I'll definitely say there's nothing in scripture that tells me it is.

And if someone is going to tell me it can happen, they've got to do better than telling me there are "multiple rooms" within man. I don't see any scripture for that either.

I'm just sayin'...

Well I respect what you say here. But I don't think we have arrived at knowing and understanding all of scripture. But it is definitely our guideline. However, I don't think every single thing we will or have encountered is in the scriptures.

Disclaimer: I have not personally seen a person delivered from a spirit that also had the Holy Ghost. And again remember we are NOT talking about being POSSESSED of a spirit. But possessing a spirit. Hope that makes sense.

As to the terminology of the different rooms, that is the way it was explained to me and made sense. And this was by UPC ministers that have actually dealt with this.

Two of them have dealt with a lot of this including ministers having this situation.

When I think of powerful men/women of God I think of them as having more of God than a non-powerful man or woman. I don't know any other way to express what I am trying to say.

But I don't think we are all equal in the power of God. Therefore, I would express that as one having more of God or the Holy Ghost ever how you want to express it.

BrotherEastman · #40 01-29-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Possesed-no, opressed-yes.

This is how I understand it.