Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss

mfblume · #1 01-29-2009, 02:17 PM

Ananias was a believer.

Acts 5:3 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

TRFrance · #2 01-29-2009, 02:21 PM

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Ananias was a believer.

Acts 5:3 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

mfblume · #3 01-29-2009, 02:27 PM

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The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

I agree. But the fact that satan can FILL A HEART of a Spirit-baptized believer shows that the soul of a believer does not have to be right in order fro the Spirit of God to occupy one's human spirit. God would not dare indwell anybody if the least evil thought was catered to in that person, if He acted the way some think He does. The same principle that suggests His Holy Spirit can indwell a believer who has wicked thoughts, but is greatly hindered from manifesting in such believers (which shows His Spirit is not in our thoughts, themselves) explains the issue, I believe.

Praxeas · #4 01-29-2009, 04:27 PM

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I agree. But the fact that satan can FILL A HEART of a Spirit-baptized believer shows that the soul of a believer does not have to be right in order fro the Spirit of God to occupy one's human spirit. God would not dare indwell anybody if the least evil thought was catered to in that person, if He acted the way some think He does. The same principle that suggests His Holy Spirit can indwell a believer who has wicked thoughts, but is greatly hindered from manifesting in such believers (which shows His Spirit is not in our thoughts, themselves) explains the issue, I believe.

That is not what it means. First of all we don't know he was spirit filled. Second WHY would God allow someone that His Spirit is currently occupying to have a Demon move in? Seems to me if that were the case God would let go and move out. That would be a case of someone rejecting God and the Spirit led life to take on a demon. Why would God stick around? And why Satan? I think this is more of an idiom. Satan has too much on his plate to worry himself with personally possessing someone. Demons possess. Satan influences

Esther · #5 01-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

Remember we are not talking about possession.

Esther · #6 01-29-2009, 02:58 PM

I think it was Bro. Wm Bustard that said he prayed for a young lady that had the HG and before she was delivered from a spirit of fear, he asked the spirit how and when he entered her. The spirit told him that when she was a child her parents were fighting and in fear she crawl under the table and the spirit of fear entered her then.

She was delivered from the spirit of fear and without telling her family what happened they could look at her and tell something was different.

How can this be? I don't have all the answers. But again remember we are not talking about a person that is possessed by spirits but someone that is possessing a spirit.

Praxeas · #7 01-29-2009, 04:30 PM

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I think it was Bro. Wm Bustard that said he prayed for a young lady that had the HG and before she was delivered from a spirit of fear, he asked the spirit how and when he entered her. The spirit told him that when she was a child her parents were fighting and in fear she crawl under the table and the spirit of fear entered her then.

She was delivered from the spirit of fear and without telling her family what happened they could look at her and tell something was different.

How can this be? I don't have all the answers. But again remember we are not talking about a person that is possessed by spirits but someone that is possessing a spirit.

Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

mfblume · #8 01-29-2009, 05:00 PM

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Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

Because God works with us as far as we will let him work.

Praxeas · #9 01-29-2009, 06:23 PM

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Because God works with us as far as we will let him work.

How can someone be filled with the Spirit and yet have a demon living in the same person? Just doens't make sense

Esther · #10 01-29-2009, 05:02 PM

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Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

I can't answer that. All I can say is there are a lot of people that have been filled with the Holy Ghost and still have generational curses.

Many preach this is not possible, yet many testify to the fact they have to deal with it.

I think we have taught a lot of things that facts don't back up. For example:
Back in the 60's we were taught when you get the Holy Ghost all was well, no more problems. Facts didn't agree with that. In fact, many times you had more battles, BUT you now had God to fight the battle for you where as before you didn't. Many expected the Holy Ghost to be our housekeeper instead of us being responsible for keeping our house clean.

I know the Bible says we become a new creature. A new creature with a new spirit. And in some that is true and they have a total deliverance, others don't seem to have that same experience.

Maybe we are dealing with Mercy and Grace. For example: two girls commit fornication, one gets pregnant and the other doesn't. Mercy was the girl didn't get pregnant, grace was the Lord would give her the grace to go through the pregnacy. They were both guilty of the same sin.

I don't have all the answers and I'm afraid there are some that think they do and they don't. I think we have built on traditions of what was taught and now the evidence is not backing it up.

Then again back in the day I don't remember anyone leaving the altars filled with the Holy Ghost that wasn't completely delivered of whatever they had. Now we have folks get the Holy Ghost and still fight addiction to smoking, still fight addiction to homosexuality. God is the same, His power is still there. But I will also say, most didn't get the Holy Ghost back then the first night they went to the altar, some did but more didn't, from my experience. But when they got it they kept it, their house was swept clean.

Why is it different today? God has not changed.

I don't have all the answers but you can't tell a person that has spoken in tongues it isn't for today. Nor can you tell a person that has been delivered that they weren't delivered because they had the Holy Ghost.

So you that say this is not possible explain how that can be????