Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss - Page 7

TRFrance · #61 01-29-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nahkoe

To begin with..a lot of people who do delivery stuff are flakes and fakes.

Yeah, I had a UPS delivery guy who was pretty flaky.
And the Fedex delivery guy seemed kinda strange too.

Huh? What?

not that kind of delivery stuff?
Oh... Deliverance stuff?

OK, my bad.

Love u, Sister Nak.
Just teasing.
...Put down that 2 x 4

Praxeas · #62 01-29-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Ananias was a believer.

Acts 5:3 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,
Act 5:2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?
Act 5:4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

The text does not assume he was a believer...least not filled with the Spirit (Yet). However the "speak" does not mean Satan Himself took possession of this individual. Rather he was influenced to lie.

Perhaps he did receive the Holy Spirit but lost it.

Praxeas · #63 01-29-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The bible says that as it rebukes people for treating it otherwise.

This has always been controversial. Some will disagree forever on either side. We're just giving our views.

Still our bodies, not a compartment, is the temple of the Spirit. Is someone FILLED with the Spirit or is just a compartment filled? Can God co-habit with demons? Or will He?

Praxeas · #64 01-29-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I prayed for one man to receive the Holy Ghost and he indeed did receive it. He spoke in tongues as the power of God hit him. What a time he had! Right in church at the altar. Glorious experience. And then ten minutes later he began vomiting and coughing and we drove out some evil spirits. The guy did not have a cold either,

. (Not every cough is a devil. lolol)

One man told me he witnessed the same thing in one of Wynn Drost's meetings years ago. A guy got the Holy Ghost and devils came out of him LATER that same night.

Everyone has a theory. But theory is often error. When things actually occur, theories are nullified that conflict with the experience. I cannot understand a lot of things and try my best to decipher them, but my best is only a theory which can be blown away in an instant when something actually occurs to make my theory error. However, theory will not disagree with the Bible if we find the theory to be true. And while many insist they stand on the Word, their interpretation of the Word means they actually theorize as to what the word really says. Their interpretation is error.

The Bible can be understood from what it says in itself. But that requires proper exegesis and hermeneutic in studying it. So while one explains something and offers alleged proof via scripture, it is more often their interpretation and theory of what scripture says. Actual experience backs up true interpretation of the Word.

IS a Person really repented yet not delivered of Demons? Wouldn't it make sense that the moment God comes in the demons are chased out?

BTW a person can get sick to the stomach for a lot of reasons, not relating to a cold virus. Stress will do it for some. But how do you know demons were cast out?

Praxeas · #65 01-29-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree. But the fact that satan can FILL A HEART of a Spirit-baptized believer shows that the soul of a believer does not have to be right in order fro the Spirit of God to occupy one's human spirit. God would not dare indwell anybody if the least evil thought was catered to in that person, if He acted the way some think He does. The same principle that suggests His Holy Spirit can indwell a believer who has wicked thoughts, but is greatly hindered from manifesting in such believers (which shows His Spirit is not in our thoughts, themselves) explains the issue, I believe.

That is not what it means. First of all we don't know he was spirit filled. Second WHY would God allow someone that His Spirit is currently occupying to have a Demon move in? Seems to me if that were the case God would let go and move out. That would be a case of someone rejecting God and the Spirit led life to take on a demon. Why would God stick around? And why Satan? I think this is more of an idiom. Satan has too much on his plate to worry himself with personally possessing someone. Demons possess. Satan influences

Praxeas · #66 01-29-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think it was Bro. Wm Bustard that said he prayed for a young lady that had the HG and before she was delivered from a spirit of fear, he asked the spirit how and when he entered her. The spirit told him that when she was a child her parents were fighting and in fear she crawl under the table and the spirit of fear entered her then.

She was delivered from the spirit of fear and without telling her family what happened they could look at her and tell something was different.

How can this be? I don't have all the answers. But again remember we are not talking about a person that is possessed by spirits but someone that is possessing a spirit.

Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

TRFrance · #67 01-29-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

IS a Person really repented yet not delivered of Demons? Wouldn't it make sense that the moment God comes in the demons are chased out?

BTW a person can get sick to the stomach for a lot of reasons, not relating to a cold virus. Stress will do it for some. But how do you know demons were cast out?

Yeah...
The person repents... God sees fit to fill him with his Spirit... but he doesnt bother kicking out the demons first?

Nah...
Something's not adding up there.

nahkoe · #68 01-29-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yeah, I had a UPC delivery guy who was pretty flaky.
And the Fedex delivery guy seemed kinda strange too.

Huh? What?

not that kind of delivery stuff?
Oh... Deliverance stuff?

OK, my bad.

Love u, Sister Nak.
Just teasing.
...Put down that 2 x 4

LOL! That's just funny!

You caught me in that for sure. I didn't think that all the way through, obviously.

So yeah, say deliverance where I say delivery and it makes more sense. lol

TRFrance · #69 01-29-2009, 04:37 PM

I'm sure a lot of these men of God are sincere.

But there are probably few areas of ministry that lend themselves to flakiness as much as "deliverance" ministries do.

nahkoe · #70 01-29-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'm sure a lot of these men of God are sincere.

But there are probably few areas of ministry that lend themselves to flakiness as much as "deliverance" ministries do.

I know. It makes me sad. It's the one area honesty and integrity is desperately needed, and it's just not always there.

And before anyone gets all huffy...I know there are people here (at AFF) who do this sort of thing and have all the honesty and integrity a person could possibly possess. I'm not saying it's all across the board...it just seems to be more common to find someone with big stories and no follow through than it is to find someone with follow through who may or may not share stories.