What will Liberal's/Baptist's do when

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes, I understand.
I'm not a liberal, and I find the doctrine to be a bit weird, to say the least.


But conservatives and moderates are not the one using this as a whip against the UPC.
The ones who are are mostly liberals.
That's what his whole point seems to be --- that the UPC bashers are having a field day with this, and their motives may not be 100% pure.

Man, you automatically think that everyone is bashing the UPC. No one is starting threads about how horrible the UPC. But these topics are very important to many who have left if not the very reason they left. You can't expect people who have 90% of their life invested in a subculture to not be interested in what is going on within.

The fact that we even care shows that we believe there is hope for the organization. If it was all bad no one would hope for change.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Man, you automatically think that everyone is bashing the UPC. No one is starting threads about how horrible the UPC. But these topics are very important to many who have left if not the very reason they left. You can't expect people who have 90% of their life invested in a subculture to not be interested in what is going on within.

Come on now delta. We're both seeing the same threads.
I'm not thinking that "everyone is bashing the UPC". But there are some who do, and some seem to almost relish doing it.

If you haven't seen that, then you haven't been paying attention.

You're oversimplifying my words. I've said repeatedly that I can understand that those who've left would still be interested in what's going on. I've said that repeatedly.

My issue though, is with those who seem to always take on a negative tone in just almost anything they say about the org. I cant believe you havent seen that around here.