Praying People Through

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Calm yourself down a bit. Nobody's attacking you, bro.
You did appear to be incorrectly interpreting the verse. No one accused you of falsely interpreting it. Big difference.

(Your post isn't very clear, in some spots, in case you had't noticed. Better clarity helps prevent people from misunderstand what you're trying to say. )

I did go back and see what you said, and so I also modified my post a bit.
And yes I did see that last sentence. But what got my attention also was this part:

"How much repenting would one need to do to speak in tongues and get it all out? And is repentance a requisite to receiving the gifts?"

... which, as I said, seems to question whether repentence is requred on the part of the person receiving the gifts. I'll ask you then. Why wouldnt it be?

Another thing that's not clear, feel free to clear this part up... are you referrintg to the gift of the Holy Ghost, or the gift of tongues? (It's not clear if you consider them to be two different things. )

Well, IMO (which is another debate entirely) there isn't but one gift. The gift of tongues according to I Cor 12. What the Apostles received in Acts 2 was the ability to communicate in another language to those who were standing by so they could hear the marvelous works of God in their native tongue. We simply do not have any other examples of a separate work.

I believe in receiving the Holy Spirit, but not as typical modern Pentecostalism proposes. The Holy Spirit is given to those who ask. If any man thirsts, let him drink...freely. Jesus is free.

I believe in turning from sin towards Christ, but one simply cannot make the case that God is a respecter of persons and one need labor for a gift. A gift is a gift. It's what he does for us, independent of who we are.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Well, IMO (which is another debate entirely) there isn't but one gift. The gift of tongues according to I Cor 12. What the Apostles received in Acts 2 was the ability to communicate in another language to those who were standing by so they could hear the marvelous works of God in their native tongue. We simply do not have any other examples of a separate work.

I believe in receiving the Holy Spirit, but not as typical modern Pentecostalism proposes. The Holy Spirit is given to those who ask. If any man thirsts, let him drink...freely. Jesus is free.

I believe in turning from sin towards Christ, but one simply cannot make the case that God is a respecter of persons and one need labor for a gift. A gift is a gift. It's what he does for us, independent of who we are.

You're right... it is another debate for another time.

Secondly, tongues in the New Testament is not limited to the Acts 2 example you used... that is, being:

"the ability to communicate in another language to those who were standing by so they could hear the marvelous works of God in their native tongue."

When you take a good look at what Paul says in 1 Cor 14 you'll see that.

But if you dont mind me asking... do you/have you ever received the gift of the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues? (I'm just trying to see what your personal perspective is regarding this issue.)

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You're right... it is another debate for another time.

Secondly, tongues in the New Testament is not limited to the Acts 2 example you used... that is, being:

"the ability to communicate in another language to those who were standing by so they could hear the marvelous works of God in their native tongue."

When you take a good look at what Paul says in 1 Cor 14 you'll see that.

But if you dont mind me asking... do you/have you ever received the gift of the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues? (I'm just trying to see what your personal perspective is regarding this issue.)

Of course, I speak with tongues. But the gift I received at a pentecostal alter was not the infilling of Christ. I am now in my 40's and spoke in tongues 30 yrs ago. What I received that day was contrary to the nature of Christ. I received a challenging, judgmental, proud spirit. Looking back now, I know Christ did not enter my heart until I acknowledged that what I had did not produce the fruit of Christ.

I speak with tongues everytime I pray. But, I can honestly say that what I have now is the actual infilling of Christ.