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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Doesn't the Bible say that we are to, "Perfect holiness?"  |
If only it had said "perfect dress codes"!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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If only it had said "perfect dress codes"!
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Hey, no problem, dress like a harlot, God don't care, in fact he is everybody's big buddy!
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03-16-2009, 06:25 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Hey, no problem, dress like a harlot, God don't care, in fact he is everybody's big buddy! |
There ya go.
Again, if my salvation depends upon adherance to a dress code, you have an obligation to tell me so.
Don't wait a few months.
What if I die before you tell me I need to shave to be saved?
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03-16-2009, 06:39 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
There ya go.
Again, if my salvation depends upon adherance to a dress code, you have an obligation to tell me so.
Don't wait a few months.
What if I die before you tell me I need to shave to be saved?
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EA are you trying to make the point that "standards" (what are called holiness standards, but are not) are NOT and NEVER WILL BE salvational issues??
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03-16-2009, 06:44 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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EA are you trying to make the point that "standards" (what are called holiness standards, but are not) are NOT and NEVER WILL BE salvational issues??
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Not at all.
I am only saying that if a person believes all tradition lifestyle standards are salvational, he better be preaching it as plainly as Acts 2:38.
Don't hold anything back.
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03-16-2009, 06:56 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Not at all.
And please stop bringing the UPC into this.
I am only saying that if a person believes all tradition lifestyle standards are salvational, he better be preaching it as plainly as Acts 2:38.
Don't hold anything back. |
This makes sense. The whole counsel of God should be taught.
Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God
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03-16-2009, 07:07 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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This makes sense. The whole counsel of God should be taught.
Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God |
Yup. We all know how much time Jesus spent in his ministry dealing with outward dress codes!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 06:52 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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EA are you trying to make the point that "standards" (what are called holiness standards, but are not) are NOT and NEVER WILL BE salvational issues??
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03-16-2009, 07:44 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
There ya go.
Again, if my salvation depends upon adherence to a dress code, you have an obligation to tell me so.
Don't wait a few months.
What if I die before you tell me I need to shave to be saved?
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I don't see shaving in the Bible!
Come on Ed, you are better than that, you are either trying to stir the pot, or you are grossly ignorant of scripture.
The Bible tells us in many places in the NT that a Christian grows, matures, into the fullness of the stature of Christ.
I see my kids acti8ng a certain way because they are immature, if they act that way when they grow up, I am going to wonder what is wrong.
Same in the Kingdom.
You need a better argument!
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03-16-2009, 07:51 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Ron
I don't see shaving in the Bible!
Come on Ed, you are better than that, you are either trying to stir the pot, or you are grossly ignorant of scripture.
The Bible tells us in many places in the NT that a Christian grows, matures, into the fullness of the stature of Christ.
I see my kids acti8ng a certain way because they are immature, if they act that way when they grow up, I am going to wonder what is wrong.
Same in the Kingdom.
You need a better argument! |
Ron, I can assure you that there are those that would place a soul in hell for a lot of things that are not in the bible.
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